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Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - DharmaDog - 04-21-2009
Trying to gauge the popularity of each class of device. You can answer yes to Dell mini 9 if you have some other netbook, but it MUST be running OS X.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - MacArtist - 04-21-2009
I own both. Mini 9 running OS X and a 16 GB iPod Touch.
For casual use, I'd rather use my Mini 9.
For checking email quickly away from the house, listening to music, playing a quick game; I'll use the iPod Touch.
The Touch is NOT a netbook no matter what the Leader says.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - Robert M - 04-21-2009
Darma,
I've used a netbook and an iphone and an ipod touch. There is absolutely no chance an iphone or an ipod touch can take the place of a netbook for mobile computing, i.e. email, browsing the web, etc. The display and keyboard of the netbook alone makes it a better choice. Just as there is no chance a netbook can take the place of an iphone for making calls and taking photos while on the road. Just as a neither a netbook nor an iphone is going to take the place of an ipod touch for very portable multimedia and games. The primary market for each of these devices is different despite an overlap in features in many areas.
Robert
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - DharmaDog - 04-21-2009
Robert M wrote:I didn't mean to suggest they are the same, or address the same market. I have an iPhone and I figure it does do about 80% of what a netbook does. It's good enough for me.
Darma,
I've used a netbook and an iphone and an ipod touch. There is absolutely no chance an iphone or an ipod touch can take the place of a netbook for mobile computing, i.e. email, browsing the web, etc. The display and keyboard of the netbook alone makes it a better choice. Just as there is no chance a netbook can take the place of an iphone for making calls and taking photos while on the road. Just as a neither a netbook nor an iphone is going to take the place of an ipod touch for very portable multimedia and games. The primary market for each of these devices is different despite an overlap in features in many areas.
Robert
I'm just interested in how big this hackintosh market is relative to the iPhone market amongst Mac users.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - Robert M - 04-21-2009
Darma,
Oh, I know. I'm just offering a perspective that goes against some of the reasoning I've seen used by other members of the forum.
Robert
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - JEBB - 04-21-2009
The iPod Touch and a netbook are different beasts; they are not really substitutes for one another.
My iPod Touch is not a good substitute for my netbook. My iPod Touch is more of a greatly enhanced PDA, a role a netbook could never fill. It fits in my pocket, no netbook does that. Being pocket-size it is easy to take along when traveling. It runs many apps that would not be useful on a netbook were they even available. While not a pleasure to use as an Internet machine, my Touch does get on the Internet in a pinch.
The reverse is also true, a netbook is not a substitute for a Touch. It doesn't run iTunes apps and it doesn't fit in my pocket. It's a better Internet machine because it has a full keyboard. In my opinion it is more a highly portable, but diminished, substitute for my Mac. So I use it as a portable computer on which I have very little of my information. I take it to meetings for note taking or to make presentations and I take it with me when I'll want to get onto the Internet or work with my email. I expect I'll find other uses and limitations of my netbook as time goes by.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - DharmaDog - 04-21-2009
It is certainly fair to say that an iPhone is not a netbook, and a netbook is not a laptop. And for some a laptop cannot replace a desktop completely.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - Article Accelerator - 04-21-2009
Robert M wrote:
There is absolutely no chance an iphone or an ipod touch can take the place of a netbook for mobile computing, i.e. email, browsing the web, etc. The display and keyboard of the netbook alone makes it a better choice.
Just as a neither a netbook nor an iphone is going to take the place of an ipod touch for very portable multimedia and games.
The iPhone and iPod touch are essentially identical in that regard.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - rz - 04-21-2009
DharmaDog wrote:
I didn't mean to suggest they are the same, or address the same market. I have an iPhone and I figure it does do about 80% of what a netbook does. It's good enough for me.
I'm just interested in how big this hackintosh market is relative to the iPhone market amongst Mac users.
80%?? Really? Can your iPhone:
Do video chatting?
surf websites that use Flash?
Run iPhoto/iMovie/iDVD/Garageband?
Allow you to hook up external drives and printers?
Hook up a real mouse and keyboard?
Then hook to a real monitor to run programs like Photoshop?
Easily create/edit documents, spreadsheets, etc and save those files to disk?
Create and update a website?
You know, the things most people do on their mac.
Don't get me wrong. I own a MacPro, a MacBook,an iPod Touch and a Dell Mini 9. I had hoped the iPod Touch would be able to be a good substitute for the Macbook in cases where I just needed email/web access. But it really hasn't been, especially because of the Flash thing. People complain about typing on the Mini. Compared to the Touch, it's heaven. The Mini 9 is a WHOLE LOT closer to a Macbook than the Touch is.
I've seen people say "The Mini is NOT a substitute for the Macbook!". I beg to differ. They say things like "The screen is too small" or "The keyboard sucks". True. But it HAS a screen. It HAS a keyboard. It WILL run pretty much every piece of software a Macbook will.
Re: Dell mini 9 w/OS X or iPhone/iPod Touch? - DharmaDog - 04-21-2009
rz wrote:
[quote=DharmaDog]
I didn't mean to suggest they are the same, or address the same market. I have an iPhone and I figure it does do about 80% of what a netbook does. It's good enough for me.
I'm just interested in how big this hackintosh market is relative to the iPhone market amongst Mac users.
80%?? Really? Can your iPhone:
Do video chatting?
surf websites that use Flash?
Run iPhoto/iMovie/iDVD/Garageband?
Allow you to hook up external drives and printers?
Hook up a real mouse and keyboard?
Then hook to a real monitor to run programs like Photoshop?
Easily create/edit documents, spreadsheets, etc and save those files to disk?
Create and update a website?
You know, the things most people do on their mac.
Don't get me wrong. I own a MacPro, a MacBook,an iPod Touch and a Dell Mini 9. I had hoped the iPod Touch would be able to be a good substitute for the Macbook in cases where I just needed email/web access. But it really hasn't been, especially because of the Flash thing. People complain about typing on the Mini. Compared to the Touch, it's heaven. The Mini 9 is a WHOLE LOT closer to a Macbook than the Touch is.
I've seen people say "The Mini is NOT a substitute for the Macbook!". I beg to differ. They say things like "The screen is too small" or "The keyboard sucks". True. But it HAS a screen. It HAS a keyboard. It WILL run pretty much every piece of software a Macbook will.
For me, yes. I have an iPhone and a 12" G4 PowerBook and a PowerMac G5. I pretty much use the PowerBook and the iPhone similarly. I don't do much actual work on my PowerBook (Office apps). I do video chatting, video editing, photo editing, Office apps and more demanding work on my G5.
Granted it's easier to do somethings on the PowerBook because of the keyboard and larger screen. But I'm quite confident when I say I do about 80% of what I do on my PowerBook on my iPhone. I'm not talking about comparing feature sets, but time spent using the most frequently used features. For me, it's email and web browsing on either the PowerBook or iPhone (not counting using it as a phone).
If I got a netbook, it would most likely just replace my PowerBook. Maybe I'd occasionally use the webcam or open Excel, but but I'd say that 90+% of the time I would not. It would be primarily email and web browsing - like my iPhone.
I wouldn't store music or photos on the netbook, just have it access my G5 that acts as a multimedia library. I like having my content centralized and remotely accessible. I use Simplify Media for this, so my iPhone can access my iTunes library remotely.
These devices are merely tools. And they are flexible enough that we don't all have to use them the same way. For my usage style, a netbook isn't a game changer, but I agree they are neat.
Again, this wasn't meant to be a netbook vs. iPhone post. I'm just curious to see what kind of traction Hackintoshes are getting in the market and how people might be using them.
I'd be more curious to know how Hackintoshes are impacting Dell's (and to a lesser extent other companies') sales of netbooks. Is it a significant percentage of overall netbook sales? What kind of business is Apple losing?
Even if the revenue is substantial, the margin isn't there and maybe people are legitimately buying more retail copies of OS X and other apps like iLife & iWork. Is it in Apple's best interest to look the other way?