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I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - Doc - 09-22-2009
"I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... because I smoke clove cigarettes. They're healthy. Really!"
(I've heard nincompoops spout that crap for decades.)
Stupid inconsiderate jackasses of the world! You have until 12am to buy your oppressive stink sticks!
As of September 22nd, clove and other flavored cigarettes are banned from sale in the United States.
Non-smokers rejoice! Smokers can go sit in the smokers corner with the stinky trash cans.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0909/661285.html
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - $tevie - 09-22-2009
As an ex-smoker I can tell you that even at the peak of my addiction I found those clove/herbal cigarettes to stink like hell when I had the misfortune to be near them.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - freeradical - 09-22-2009
As an ex-smoker, I think all of these new anti-smoking laws are ridiculous. Now the only place that smokers will be able to buy their clove cigarettes is from the same guy who sells marijuana. Great.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - guitarist - 09-22-2009
"They're healthy, really."
You claim you've heard nincompoops spout this for decades? Really! What else did these imaginary people say, that they have vitamins, too?
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - Doc - 09-22-2009
guitarist wrote:
"They're healthy, really."
You claim you've heard nincompoops spout this for decades? Really! What else did theseimaginarypeople say, that they have vitamins, too?
The one last week told me that there's no tobacco in clove cigarettes so they're not really addictive.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - decay - 09-22-2009
smoke & mirrors. (pun intended)
more of our Government claiming to "make us safer" with more laws.
why not outlaw all cigarettes? all tobacco?
all fast food?
where does it stop?
what happened to freedom and personal responsibility?
yet another nanny law. pffft.
outlaw ALL tobacco, or legalize all smokables.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - anonymouse1 - 09-22-2009
Decay-
I really don't give a sh!t if people I don't know smoke. But when I have to breathe their smoke--no way.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - decay - 09-22-2009
i don't like breathing anyone's smoke, either.
i'm just saying that these laws just get us used to accepting more control over our lives.
how many kids do you know that smoke clove cigarettes? honestly.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - guitarist - 09-22-2009
Doc, the person accepting a myth that the clove cigarettes "not addictive" is very different than claiming cigarettes are "healthy". Not important. I was just teasing you about the moment of silly hyperbole. The subject lends itself to extremes.
Let's face it, the exhaust from the delivery truck fifty yards away is more harmful to you than a wisp of smoke from an outdoor cafe twenty feet from you. And if that's true, the pollen from that tree over there is going to irritate your delicate immune system, and send you straight to the clinic, or to your kitchen, for a homeopathic remedy. Tobacco is harmful. Nobody disagrees. What it's about, is manners.
Decay and Freeradical have a point. It's understandable that we'd expect more enlightened social policy regarding tobacco use. Particularly regarding exposure in indoor public places, we welcome that. The majority of tobacco users welcome it, too. Or are at least friendly and tolerant about it. The majority of smokers I know are are passively compliant, hyper-careful not to offend. They're practically invisible. More polite than a lot of non smokers.
But to see the way it's characterized here, it's as if all smokers are reckless, offensive, clueless morons who create a toxic cloud around innocent people 100% of the time. Are a minority of smokers offensive and stupid? You bet! Who would disagree? A handful of topics are guaranteed to stir up strong feelings in this forum. One is dog breeding. Another is tobacco use. I'm sure there are a few others. The (anti) tobacco topic becoming a convenient straw-man-whipping post.
I've begun to wonder what motivates the repetition of this familiar subject in the first place. Is it to revel in our shared intolerance? Promote cranking up the hatred of tobacco users? They're a sanctioned, politically safe target for marginalization and bigotry, there aren't many left! To reinforce our purity? Reassert the superiority of us more enlightened non smokers? It's so silly. Can't we just get along?
The anti-tobacco hysteria is moving in directions that are increasingly irrational, bordering on just plain nutty.
Re: I'm not really making you ill with my second-hand smoke... - Doc - 09-22-2009
guitarist wrote:
Doc, the person accepting a myth that the clove cigarettes "not addictive" is very different than claiming cigarettes are "healthy".
Different people. Different fantasy lives and stupid rationales.
I've had people tell me that clove cigs are full of vitamins because cloves are loaded with flavonoids.
I've had smokers light up in my tiny apartment without so much as a glance my way to ask permission. Smokers have left pinholes in my couch and on my grandmother's Persian rug and burn marks on my wooden floors. Smokers fill the corridors of my apartment building with their foulness and choke the elevator wells, the stairwells and the alcove near the parking lot at work with stink clouds and butts.
When I'm exposed to the stuff, my throat gets sore -- and remains sore for days -- my voice gets hoarse, my lungs fill with fluid, I get headaches, my stomach boils and worse. When I explain this to smokers and ask them to stop, the best I can coax from them is that they move away a few feet or step outside -- where they fill the doorway with smoke and blow it inside from there -- but in exchange for this tiny sacrifice on their part, they inevitably force upon me a lecture.
The lecture typically comes in one of two basic forms: 1) how their specific brand/flavor/method-of-inhaling is clean and healthy (after all, nowadays cigarettes are FILTERED! And the filters BIODEGRADE!!) and all of my symptoms would go away if only I'd inhale deeply and stop listening to the popular press and to doctors who get PAID for saying bad things about tobacco. 2) How smokers are the new politically-correct minority to pick on when they're simply -- heroically -- fighting for the right to live (and die) as free men.
There's also the odd duck who pulls out a cigar and lights that up in front of me. His lecture is that cigar tobacco is healthier than cigarette tobacco and his expensive cigars don't stink like cheap ones.
Meanwhile, I have to hold my breath to keep from vomiting. And yeah. It's so unfair and undemocratic that I don't stand idle while you poison me. So sorry if that infringes upon your freedom to kill both you and me and to darken otherwise pleasant days with your smoke and butts and burns.
And BTW: Smokers are contributing to the misery in this country even when not poisoning everyone else or leaving butts around. They drive up the cost of MY health insurance because the insurance companies have to carry them when they get high blood pressure and heart-disease and cancer and need expensive medicines; a transplant; a nose, lip, larynx or lung removed.
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So, when there's action to retard that sickening, filthy sh!t from touching my life, I take heady pleasure in it. If smoking were banned in this country, I'd take it as a job well done.