WOW! WOW! WOW! OS X 10.7 Lion Server $50!!! Hide the neighbors and tell the kids!!!

[M A V I C]

mattkime wrote:
i can understand the need for Server in a business setting - any reason to have it at home?

I can think of a ton of reasons. Some of these may already have work arounds, and some may not actually be fixed by a home server...

- Shared calendars. I'd like to be able to add stuff to my wife's calendar, and her add stuff to mine.
- iTunes and the iOS need to understand people don't just use one device with one computer. I want all of my media on one server, then any system connected to that server (can require same iTunes auth) can have access to all of the media. And if someone buys media on one of the client machines, it should automatically download to the server.
- If I understand the Profile Manager correctly, I like the idea of being able to log into another machine and have access to my usual stuff, and prefs set the same too.

[Sam3]

M A V I C wrote:
[quote=mattkime]
i can understand the need for Server in a business setting - any reason to have it at home?

I can think of a ton of reasons. Some of these may already have work arounds, and some may not actually be fixed by a home server...

- Shared calendars. I'd like to be able to add stuff to my wife's calendar, and her add stuff to mine.
- iTunes and the iOS need to understand people don't just use one device with one computer. I want all of my media on one server, then any system connected to that server (can require same iTunes auth) can have access to all of the media. And if someone buys media on one of the client machines, it should automatically download to the server.
- If I understand the Profile Manager correctly, I like the idea of being able to log into another machine and have access to my usual stuff, and prefs set the same too.
Is this what Lion Server will do?
Is this what Snow Leopard server does? If so, that is exactly what I want to do as well. Same with ripping songs or movies, all those downloaded to the server also. And not only media, but documents as well.

[M A V I C]

Sam3 wrote:
Is this what Lion Server will do?
Is this what Snow Leopard server does? If so, that is exactly what I want to do as well. Same with ripping songs or movies, all those downloaded to the server also. And not only media, but documents as well.

Not as far as I know. I was just responding to Matt's question on how a server could be useful at home.

[Sam3]

OK, thanks. I was hoping that it would.

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Paul F. wrote:
Not only that, but my VERY cursory glance at the Lion Server page looks like they ripped the guts out of OSX Server and turned it into a pretty useless shiny happy media and calendar sharing turd...

Yes, that's what Apple does. Everyone knows that.

[Mike Johnson]

M A V I C wrote:
- Shared calendars. I'd like to be able to add stuff to my wife's calendar, and her add stuff to mine.
- iTunes and the iOS need to understand people don't just use one device with one computer. I want all of my media on one server, then any system connected to that server (can require same iTunes auth) can have access to all of the media. And if someone buys media on one of the client machines, it should automatically download to the server.
- If I understand the Profile Manager correctly, I like the idea of being able to log into another machine and have access to my usual stuff, and prefs set the same too.

We use BusySync to keep our calendars synced between my wife's MBA and my desktop (and her iPhone, and my iPod, and my son's iPod...). BusySync has since been upgrade to BusyCal, but even under 10.6 BusySync works just fine.

iTunes sharing works well for us. I guess if my wife bought tunes at the ITMS I'd have to move the actual files to my desktop mac.

The biggest drawback is that we can sync the iPods and iPhone only to my desktop machine. I wish Apple would address that without requiring a server.

We rarely use each other's machines so the Profile Manager stuff isn't an issue for us. Still, I should get a bookmark sync app. There's a huge difference between what software gets used, or is even installed, on each machine, so we wouldn't need much more than that. But if we had similar machines, it'd be fantastic to be able to switch seamlessly from one machine to another -- especially with the Resume state thingie we heard about today.

[Fred_Also]

You could buy one of the minis with Snow Leopard server and upgrade it to Lion Server for $50. The minis are $849 in the refurb store.

That is if you need to buy a computer to run it on anyway.


Fred

[RAMd®d]

I could be wrong.. I haven't delved deeply into it yet.

Hardly matters... it'll be at least 3 years before I have a piece of hardware that could even RUN Lion Server at work...

But least you didn't let that stop you from making a reasoned analysis.

[Paul F.]

Let's see... I looked at three different Apple pages on Lion Server..
NO mention of;
DNS services, Directory services, Web server technologies other than WebDAV, MySQL Server, DHCP, Firewall services... the list goes on.

So, yeah, I made a pretty well reasoned assumption based on Apple's own advertising pages for Lion Server that it LOOKS LIKE they've discontinued or at least disconnected those services from OS X Lion Server.

The loss of OpenDirectory (or ActiveDirectory as an alternative) and Kerberos makes Lion server 100% useless to me at work.


If they have retained those services, then someone in Apple's web dept needs to be slapped for dropping all mention of them.

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Paul F. wrote:
Let's see... I looked at three different Apple pages on Lion Server..
NO mention of...DNS services, Directory services, Web server technologies other than WebDAV, MySQL Server, DHCP, Firewall services... the list goes on....The loss of OpenDirectory (or ActiveDirectory as an alternative) and Kerberos makes Lion server 100% useless to me at work.

Paul, I don't think it could even be called "Server" without a basic set of specs such as those you mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Se...ion_Server
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Se...ifications

I think your skepticism is...over-the-top.

If they have retained those services, then someone in Apple's web dept needs to be slapped for dropping all mention of them.

I agree.