Sen. Manchin drives a stake thru D.C statehood idea

[btfc]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
Will a popular Dem please primary Manchin...

Guaranteed Democratic loss. It is a deeply red state that was once a labor stronghold. It's state full of Trumpers except for Manchin. He barely won his last election. We gotta get more Democrats in the Senate and protect the seats that exist like Warnock's.

“ Manchin, Sinema filibuster support scores political points back home, GOP poll shows “

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/55...me-gop?amp

[Filliam H. Muffman]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
Will a popular Dem please primary Manchin...

Guaranteed Democratic loss. It is a deeply red state that was once a labor stronghold. It's state full of Trumpers except for Manchin. He barely won his last election. We gotta get more Democrats in the Senate and protect the seats that exist like Warnock's.
Stop giving up before anything happens.

[DeusxMac]

hal wrote:
51 star flags - pretty clever

Actually that first example - alternating rows of even and odd numbers of stars - is the same method used in the 49-states flag from July 4, 1959 to July 3, 1960; and almost certainly the way 51 stars would be handled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_th...tar_unions

[RAMd®d]

I guess I was one of the 48ers.

Me, too.

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Some of the 49ers are also in the hole where men didn't need to register for the draft (like me).

[N-OS X-tasy!]

DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=hal]
51 star flags - pretty clever

Actually that first example - alternating rows of even and odd numbers of stars - is the same method used in the 49-states flag from July 4, 1959 to July 3, 1960; and almost certainly the way 51 stars would be handled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_th...tar_unions
All seven rows of the 49-star flag had seven stars each (7x7=49) - they were just alternately shifted to the left or right.

[DeusxMac]

N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=hal]
51 star flags - pretty clever

Actually that first example - alternating rows of even and odd numbers of stars - is the same method used in the 49-states flag from July 4, 1959 to July 3, 1960; and almost certainly the way 51 stars would be handled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_th...tar_unions
All seven rows of the 49-star flag had seven stars each (7x7=49) - they were just alternately shifted to the left or right.
miley-signs001: You are correct! :brainfart:

[mrbill62]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 17:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;

Madison's rationale from Federalist 43 - Yale Law Library

The indispensable necessity of complete authority at the seat of government, carries its own evidence with it. It is a power exercised by every legislature of the Union, I might say of the world, by virtue of its general supremacy. Without it, not only the public authority might be insulted and its proceedings interrupted with impunity; but a dependence of the members of the general government on the State comprehending the seat of the government, for protection in the exercise of their duty, might bring on the national councils an imputation of awe or influence, equally dishonorable to the government and dissatisfactory to the other members of the Confederacy. This consideration has the more weight, as the gradual accumulation of public improvements at the stationary residence of the government would be both too great a public pledge to be left in the hands of a single State, and would create so many obstacles to a removal of the government, as still further to abridge its necessary independence. The extent of this federal district is sufficiently circumscribed to satisfy every jealousy of an opposite nature. And as it is to be appropriated to this use with the consent of the State ceding it; as the State will no doubt provide in the compact for the rights and the consent of the citizens inhabiting it; as the inhabitants will find sufficient inducements of interest to become willing parties to the cession; as they will have had their voice in the election of the government which is to exercise authority over them; as a municipal legislature for local purposes, derived from their own suffrages, will of course be allowed them; and as the authority of the legislature of the State, and of the inhabitants of the ceded part of it, to concur in the cession, will be derived from the whole people of the State in their adoption of the Constitution, every imaginable objection seems to be obviated. The necessity of a like authority over forts, magazines, etc. , established by the general government, is not less evident. The public money expended on such places, and the public property deposited in them, requires that they should be exempt from the authority of the particular State. Nor would it be proper for the places on which the security of the entire Union may depend, to be in any degree dependent on a particular member of it. All objections and scruples are here also obviated, by requiring the concurrence of the States concerned, in every such establishment.

As IANAL, but it seems (to me at least) that a Constitutional Amendment would be needed to change Article I, Section 8, Clause 17.

I'm sure that there are plenty of lawyers who will argue for either side.

FWIW, I decided to show what is in the Constitution & the rationale.

[Lux Interior]

bfd wrote:
DC and PR


Get 'em in now!

And combine the Dakotas into one state.

[Acer]

We gave Alexandria to Virginia. W VA carved itself off Virgina. "DC" can be a 9x9 paver on the Mall, and the remainder, which our Constitution tells us is NOT part of MD and under no obligation to join it, can seek its own destiny.