From the human debris department: "Detroit man killed in drive-by after scolding neighborhood speeder"

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RAMd®d wrote:
which is useless

That is absolutely incorrect.


This is how people think when they really don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of what breeds crime and how to effectively resolve it.

That's a dodge on your part, and a typical response by anti-capital punishment people who tend profess prevention as being the One and True answer. You may not be in that camp, but it would seem so.

The truth is dealing with violent crime is not that simple.

I do believe in prevention, intervention, diversion, and rehabilitation. But they are not THE answer. THE answer is that there is not ONE answer. Nuts and bolts is plural.

I say we need more jails and almost always get two answers-- "Yes, but not in my back yard" and "Jails are not the answer". There's the the=THE thing again.

Prevention is good. The best prevention is better. And prevention isn't perfect, nor will it be. At some point, there are crimes that occur despite efforts of prevention and transcend rehabilitation.

I believe those crimes need sure and swift capital punishment. Appropriate use will have some effect as a deterrent. But more importantly they exact a price that needs to be paid to society. When someone unlawfully, willingly, and with malice aforethought takes the life of someone or subjects another to great bodily harm, that person needs to be removed not only from society, but from existence.

To me, it's a grave injustice that a cognitive killer be allowed to live when a victim was not. I do believe in life sentencing, but not for murderers. Where appropriate, capital punishment is a price owed and must be paid.

By all means, try to prevent crime, particularly violent crime. But when someone predates another, they need to be put down.

I suspect I will have to agree to disagree with your views.

You know I respect your views because above all you and I are friends always.

HOWEVER!

I stand by my viewpoint.

[Manlove]

In general I am pro-life i.e. anti capital punishment, however some situations merit more than simply life behind bars.
But that is not say that getting to the underlying causes of the culture of disrespect is not of paramount importance. It is.
For a wealthy white man living in suburbia your 'respect' comes from your job, your wife, your car, in short the trappings of a safe middle class existence. Would that this were true for all men in America.
RAMd you speak of absolutes, well without being god you don't know all possibilities, only what you see and infer. Perhaps when all you have is respect from your peers, losing it means more than losing your life. Unfortunately when it also means someone else loses their life, perhaps the death penalty is the only option.

Of course, easy access to firearms doesn't exactly ameliorate matters.

[Gutenberg]

Speedy wrote:
At least the gunner had a reason. Often they don't, they just love to fire their guns. Maybe there should be more shooting ranges in neighborhoods where there are lots of these types of killings.

You call that a reason?

[RgrF]

Gutenberg wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
At least the gunner had a reason. Often they don't, they just love to fire their guns. Maybe there should be more shooting ranges in neighborhoods where there are lots of these types of killings.

You call that a reason?
Did not an Ohio Congressquack yesterday announce there would be no budget agreement a long as the President "disrespected" them and their position? When pressed he couldn't define what would lead to satisfying their feeling of disrespect.

Seems thuggery isn't limited to the streets.