09-21-2015, 03:12 AM
M A V I C wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this "defeat" thing wasn't intentional, it was simply variably tuning the car based on the conditions it was driving in.
VW has already stated it was intentional.
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 VW has already stated it was intentional.
09-21-2015, 03:20 AM
N-OS X-tasy! wrote: VW has already stated it was intentional. The question is, was the intention to deceive, or to build a flexible system as M A V I C describes, which created the appearance of deception. If I were VW, I would certainly argue the latter. /Mr Lynn
09-21-2015, 03:25 AM
mrlynn wrote: VW has already stated it was intentional. The question is, was the intention to deceive, or to build a flexible system as M A V I C describes, which created the appearance of deception. If I were VW, I would certainly argue the latter. That they haven't tells the true story.
09-21-2015, 03:36 AM
N-OS X-tasy! wrote: VW has already stated it was intentional. The question is, was the intention to deceive, or to build a flexible system as M A V I C describes, which created the appearance of deception. If I were VW, I would certainly argue the latter. That they haven't tells the true story. The intention was to deceive. The CEO has apologized and pledged cooperation in the investigation.
09-21-2015, 03:10 PM
Onamuji wrote: VW has already stated it was intentional. The question is, was the intention to deceive, or to build a flexible system as M A V I C describes, which created the appearance of deception. If I were VW, I would certainly argue the latter. That they haven't tells the true story. The intention was to deceive. The CEO has apologized and pledged cooperation in the investigation. So, in the link above, it says VW hasn't commented further. But it also says that they are said to have acknowledged that they did this. I'd like to find the original comment they made where they said they did this. If they already did, then why are they saying no comment at this time? Even still, the way it's worded, it sounds like they have only acknowledged that the issue exists, not that it was done maliciously. Saying that they will cooperate does not mean they did it maliciously.
09-21-2015, 11:51 PM
M A V I C wrote: VW has already stated it was intentional. The question is, was the intention to deceive, or to build a flexible system as M A V I C describes, which created the appearance of deception. If I were VW, I would certainly argue the latter. That they haven't tells the true story. The intention was to deceive. The CEO has apologized and pledged cooperation in the investigation. So, in the link above, it says VW hasn't commented further. But it also says that they are said to have acknowledged that they did this. I'd like to find the original comment they made where they said they did this. If they already did, then why are they saying no comment at this time? Even still, the way it's worded, it sounds like they have only acknowledged that the issue exists, not that it was done maliciously. Saying that they will cooperate does not mean they did it maliciously. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/2...IK20150920 "We have admitted to it to the regulator. It is true. We are actively cooperating with the regulator," a Volkswagen spokesman said on Sunday.
09-22-2015, 03:21 AM
More: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/09/vws-...s-the-end/ ...VW of America's CEO, Michael Horn, took his turn to address the issue. "Our company was dishonest, with EPA, the California Air Resources Board, and with ," he stated. "In my German words, we totally screwed up. We must fix those cars [and] prevent this from ever happening again and make things right. With the government, the public, customers, employees, and our dealers. This [dishonesty] is completely inconsistent with our core values, which include… responsibility. It goes totally against what we believe is right." | ...How did this all happen? To start, there had been a pattern of non-compliance in emissions observed by a joint research commission in Europe. A list of VW products dominated that list. This research commission then reached out to a non-profit group, the International Council for Clean Transportation (ICCT), to conduct investigative testing. The ICCT next funded West Virginia University (WVU) to do various tests. ..."When we started the study, CARB wanted to partner up and do some controlled vehicle certification testing before any on-road testing," said Arvind Thiruvengadam, a WVU research assistant professor in the Mechanical Aerospace Department. "Two diesel Volkswagen vehicles were rented—one from an owner—and both were taken to CARB’s lab, where the vehicles passed each test. The on-road testing was then done by WVU and we found a propensity for higher emissions to the results CARB found at the lab. So CARB was able to see the emissions first hand. ...Right after these tests, CARB informed VW in July that its vehicles still showed excessive nitrogen oxide emissions. Volkswagen denied fault, instead laying blame on "various technical issues and unexpected in-use conditions," according to the EPA. The EPA then threatened not to certify for sale any 2016 VW cars. So in a September 3 meeting, VW admitted that it had used a second calibration in the diesels intended to run only during certification testing. VW stated that these vehicles were manufactured with a "defeat device" to bypass elements of the vehicles' emission control system. This calibration or "device" was never specified in any certification documents submitted to the EPA and CARB, and it was never covered by any federal Certificate of Conformity (COC) or CARB Executive Order Number (EO). Put simply, it would be in violation of federal and state law. |
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