Nikki Haley calls out Trump during SOTU response

[Lemon Drop]

She did a nice job with this. As a woman and daughter of immigrant parents, who became the nation's youngest governor, she was the perfect person to speak to her party about That One.
May not change minds but the lines have been drawn. I expect her to get serious consideration for VEEP (assuming it's not Trump...)

[wave rider]

And she did not keep reaching for a water bottle!

[Onamuji]

Lots of vague promises.

I'd like to hear a plan from the republicans. One where they talk about consequences.

This is the only "plan" she put forth: "If we held the White House, taxes would be lower for working families, and we'd put the brakes on runaway spending and debt... We would end a disastrous health care program."

Yeah? And how would that work, exactly?

Does "working families" include anyone making less than $150k/yr?

Which spending is "runaway?" Congress has already cut most government spending to the bare bones except their own salaries and defense. The current budget plan calls for more than $5 trillion in cuts across all categories (but mostly healthcare) over the next 10 years -- 2/3rds of government operations hamstrung with unfunded mandates.

Which health care program is the "disastrous" one? Forget Obamacare. The republican budget plan will eliminate all government funded public health care, even where it's effectively reimbursement for what they've taken from your payroll. That's Medicare and Medicaid. Most of their planned cuts are to Medicaid. Given the average age of people in this forum, that should worry YOU.

There's almost nothing else to slash. Are you going to cut Congressional salaries and health insurance and staff? Cut defense-spending? I'll believe that when I see it.

What debt will you reduce? The national debt? Economic growth is the only surefire way to reduce the national debt (via greater tax revenue) and the way that you spur growth is investment which means spending money, not allowing more wealthy people to keep it in their overseas accounts. You can't spur growth by choking the working class.

It's a sham.

[SteveG]

I liked how she talked with hardly opening her teeth.

[Lemon Drop]

Onamuji wrote:
Lots of vague promises.

I'd like to hear a plan from the republicans. One where they talk about consequences.

This is the only "plan" she put forth: "If we held the White House, taxes would be lower for working families, and we'd put the brakes on runaway spending and debt... We would end a disastrous health care program."

Yeah? And how would that work, exactly?

Does "working families" include anyone making less than $150k/yr?

Which spending is "runaway?" Congress has already cut most government spending to the bare bones except their own salaries and defense. The current budget plan calls for more than $5 trillion in cuts across all categories (but mostly healthcare) over the next 10 years -- 2/3rds of government operations hamstrung with unfunded mandates.

Which health care program is the "disastrous" one? Forget Obamacare. The republican budget plan will eliminate all government funded public health care, even where it's effectively reimbursement for what they've taken from your payroll. That's Medicare and Medicaid. Most of their planned cuts are to Medicaid. Given the average age of people in this forum, that should worry YOU.

There's almost nothing else to slash. Are you going to cut Congressional salaries and health insurance and staff? Cut defense-spending? I'll believe that when I see it.

What debt will you reduce? The national debt? Economic growth is the only surefire way to reduce the national debt (via greater tax revenue) and the way that you spur growth is investment which means spending money, not allowing more wealthy people to keep it in their overseas accounts. You can't spur growth by choking the working class.

It's a sham.

You expect that level of detail from a short SOTU response? The GOP is not exactly secretive about its plans, check out any GOP congressman's website for details.

[Numo]

I think I read somewhere that Haley weathered some pretty dirty tricks from her political opponents last election cycle. Sorry, don't have time to attribute right now.

[Lemon Drop]

Ammo wrote:
I think I read somewhere that Haley weathered some pretty dirty tricks from her political opponents last election cycle. Sorry, don't have time to attribute right now.

yes she did. The ghost of Lee Atwater is still hanging around. There were unsubstantiated allegations that she'd had an affair with a political blogger, as I recall. I'm not really a fan of Gov. Haley's policies but as a politician she conducts herself very well and she's no Sarah Palin.

[SteveG]

They should have let Bush deliver it. (George W., that is)

[$tevie]

I didn't bother to watch. I don't even know why the networks feel compelled to have a "response". Someone caved in to the GOP during Johnson's administration and a stupid tradition began.

[Onamuji]

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=Onamuji]
Lots of vague promises.

I'd like to hear a plan from the republicans. One where they talk about consequences.

This is the only "plan" she put forth: "If we held the White House, taxes would be lower for working families, and we'd put the brakes on runaway spending and debt... We would end a disastrous health care program."

Yeah? And how would that work, exactly?

Does "working families" include anyone making less than $150k/yr?

Which spending is "runaway?" Congress has already cut most government spending to the bare bones except their own salaries and defense. The current budget plan calls for more than $5 trillion in cuts across all categories (but mostly healthcare) over the next 10 years -- 2/3rds of government operations hamstrung with unfunded mandates.

Which health care program is the "disastrous" one? Forget Obamacare. The republican budget plan will eliminate all government funded public health care, even where it's effectively reimbursement for what they've taken from your payroll. That's Medicare and Medicaid. Most of their planned cuts are to Medicaid. Given the average age of people in this forum, that should worry YOU.

There's almost nothing else to slash. Are you going to cut Congressional salaries and health insurance and staff? Cut defense-spending? I'll believe that when I see it.

What debt will you reduce? The national debt? Economic growth is the only surefire way to reduce the national debt (via greater tax revenue) and the way that you spur growth is investment which means spending money, not allowing more wealthy people to keep it in their overseas accounts. You can't spur growth by choking the working class.

It's a sham.

You expect that level of detail from a short SOTU response?
No. I simply want honesty:

"If we held the White House, taxes would be lower for ourselves and our lobbyists, and we'd gut government services to pay for it... We would end Roosevelt's New Deal, disenfranchise people of color and formalize our program of pauper prisons."