WA measles outbreak likely originated in Bible study class

[rjmacs]

I haven't said a thing about anyone here, but some white folks in the thread are basically hair on fire because I said there was a resonance between having privilege (something pretty darn clearly associated with whiteness in this country) and opting out of vaccinations.

And it's a little weird to have my observations attacked as evidence of my "trying to force the rest of [you] to join [my] hair shirt club."

First, that assumes that I'm just talking to other white people here. A weird assumption, and not one that makes sense.

Second, acknowledging that racism is a real thing, along with the associated concept of whiteness, doesn't seem like it should be a huge stretch these days. I don't think it's a "hair shirt club" thing to ask how race might play a part in a particular phenomenon. There's a big difference between "this is entirely about race," and, "I think considering race as a factor could help us understand this." I'm in the second camp, as my comments here indicate.

Nobody said that not vaccinating kids wasn't stupid, no matter who makes the decision. The insistence that the ONLY CAUSAL FACTOR is stupidity is, well, not supported by the evidence.

White fragility is characterized by overreaction and hyper-defensiveness at the mention of whiteness as relevant to a social phenomenon or problem.

[Lemon Drop]

timg wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24247148

"It is important to understand who refuses vaccines and for what reasons. Smith et al. used the National Immunization Survey from 1995 to 2001 to characterize infants who received no routine childhood immunizations. Unvaccinated infants were more likely to be male, white, with married mothers of age over 30y, college educated, living in households with an annual income over $75 000 and with 4 or more children compared with vaccinated infants. Others studies have characterized unvaccinated children belonging to families intentionally refusing vaccines with similar demographic characteristics."

You can pick and choose statistics and studies to support whatever you like. If you had actually read the cited article, you would have seen that it was from a study done in Colorado, a state with a population that is 70% white. It's not surprising that most of the people refusing vaccinations are white.

Nope. This is Smith and Chu's study design.
And we're in agreement, it's not at all surprising that most anti-vaxxers are white.

DESIGN:
A nationally representative probability sample of children 19 to 35 months of age was collected annually between 1995 and 2001. Vaccination histories were ascertained from children's medical providers. Undervaccinated children had received > or =1 dose of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis, polio, measles, Haemophilus influenzae type b, hepatitis B, or varicella vaccine but were not fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated children were children who were reported as having no medical providers and having received no vaccinations or children whose medical providers reported administering no vaccinations.

PARTICIPANTS:
A total of 151,720 children sampled between 1995 and 2001, 795 of whom were unvaccinated.

[timg]

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=timg]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24247148

"It is important to understand who refuses vaccines and for what reasons. Smith et al. used the National Immunization Survey from 1995 to 2001 to characterize infants who received no routine childhood immunizations. Unvaccinated infants were more likely to be male, white, with married mothers of age over 30y, college educated, living in households with an annual income over $75 000 and with 4 or more children compared with vaccinated infants. Others studies have characterized unvaccinated children belonging to families intentionally refusing vaccines with similar demographic characteristics."

You can pick and choose statistics and studies to support whatever you like. If you had actually read the cited article, you would have seen that it was from a study done in Colorado, a state with a population that is 70% white. It's not surprising that most of the people refusing vaccinations are white.

Nope. This is Smith and Chu's study design.
And we're in agreement, it's not at all surprising that most anti-vaxxers are white.

DESIGN:
A nationally representative probability sample of children 19 to 35 months of age was collected annually between 1995 and 2001. Vaccination histories were ascertained from children's medical providers. Undervaccinated children had received > or =1 dose of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis, polio, measles, Haemophilus influenzae type b, hepatitis B, or varicella vaccine but were not fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated children were children who were reported as having no medical providers and having received no vaccinations or children whose medical providers reported administering no vaccinations.

PARTICIPANTS:
A total of 151,720 children sampled between 1995 and 2001, 795 of whom were unvaccinated.
Again, you can pick and choose things to support your point. Obviously your reading skills are deficient as well.

The first quote you pulled was taken from a study that was done at Kaiser in Colorado. This is the one that mentioned race. It was quote by the paper you were citing.

The quote you just pulled from your posterior regions is from the paper you cited and does not mention race.

[$tevie]

rjmacs wrote: White fragility is characterized by overreaction and hyper-defensiveness at the mention of whiteness as relevant to a social phenomenon or problem.

I almost never react like that. Stop generalizing about me. Jesus Christ, you spend all your time on this board telling us what we should not talk about and what we should not think. I'm through with it.

[Lemon Drop]

timg wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
[quote=timg]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24247148

"It is important to understand who refuses vaccines and for what reasons. Smith et al. used the National Immunization Survey from 1995 to 2001 to characterize infants who received no routine childhood immunizations. Unvaccinated infants were more likely to be male, white, with married mothers of age over 30y, college educated, living in households with an annual income over $75 000 and with 4 or more children compared with vaccinated infants. Others studies have characterized unvaccinated children belonging to families intentionally refusing vaccines with similar demographic characteristics."

You can pick and choose statistics and studies to support whatever you like. If you had actually read the cited article, you would have seen that it was from a study done in Colorado, a state with a population that is 70% white. It's not surprising that most of the people refusing vaccinations are white.

Nope. This is Smith and Chu's study design.
And we're in agreement, it's not at all surprising that most anti-vaxxers are white.

DESIGN:
A nationally representative probability sample of children 19 to 35 months of age was collected annually between 1995 and 2001. Vaccination histories were ascertained from children's medical providers. Undervaccinated children had received > or =1 dose of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis, polio, measles, Haemophilus influenzae type b, hepatitis B, or varicella vaccine but were not fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated children were children who were reported as having no medical providers and having received no vaccinations or children whose medical providers reported administering no vaccinations.

PARTICIPANTS:
A total of 151,720 children sampled between 1995 and 2001, 795 of whom were unvaccinated.
Again, you can pick and choose things to support your point. Obviously your reading skills are deficient as well.

The first quote you pulled was taken from a study that was done at Kaiser in Colorado. This is the one that mentioned race. It was quote by the paper you were citing.

The quote you just pulled from your posterior regions is from the paper you cited and does not mention race.


I'm happy to help you try and understand citations.

The first quote above is from the paper "Epidemiology of vaccine hesitancy in the United States" which was published in 2013 by the journal Human Vaccines and Immunotherapeutics.

The source data for that quote as cited in the paper is the study by Smith and Chu, which I read and quoted above (and which I read because I find it interesting not because somebody is struggling with white fragility on the internet).

You're welcome.