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Murder follow up; google earth provides further evidence
#1
like DNA under fingernails were not good enough, they now have some images from google earth. it is unclear if this was a google earth car driving by or what kind of images, one article just says google earth the other says dash cam images. And also a witness.


PLAINSBORO TOWNSHIP, NJ — A man accused of murdering his co-worker during her lunch break earlier this year appears to have been stalking her in the days and weeks leading up to the killing.
Detectives have obtained images via Google Earth that show 30-year-old Kenneth C. Saal, of Lindenwold, was at Carolyn Byington's apartment complex in the days before she was killed, nj.com reports. One of her neighbors also told detectives he was in the complex weeks before the murder.


https://patch.com/new-jersey/west-windso...der-report

https://www.nj.com/middlesex/2019/09/acc...-says.html
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#2
It wasn't a Google Earth image. It was Google location data from an app on his smartphone. I miss editors.
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#3
Correct, now that I read the second article, there is no "earth", just ping from cell towers.

The monster could have left the cell phone at home. He could have taken a few days off before and after the incident. But I am glad he was not that smart and he was caught before killing other people.

Now supposed the jury finds him not guilty. Unlikely, but suppose it happens. He just walks free, despite all this evidence?

What could he claim in his defense? How can be so fool to refuse the plea deal? if he gets 30 years, he would be 60+ and could still have a few years of freedom. But otherwise he he looking at life in prison. There is no freedom at the end. Nothing.
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#4
Now supposed the jury finds him not guilty. Unlikely, but suppose it happens. He just walks free, despite all this evidence?

Yes.

He could be sued in civil court for wrongful death, in most if not all states. Just like OJ, but with more circumstantial evidence.

For his defense, he could try to claim self-defense or NGI. Not that it would get him anywhere, but he could try.

The guilty party of the crime should be doing life, and not be offered a plea deal of 30 years. The DA must not be confident of winning the case, or worse, wants to save the county money by avoiding a trail.

There's a mention of a weapons charge but no more information and no mention if a knife was recovered? I'm curious if the murder weapon was from her apartment or if he brought one.

30yrs without parole is an insult and injustice to the family, community, and mankind in general. Even if it was just Murder 2, the savagery of the attack deserves a life sentence.
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RAMd®d wrote:
Now supposed the jury finds him not guilty. Unlikely, but suppose it happens. He just walks free, despite all this evidence?

Yes.

He could be sued in civil court for wrongful death, in most if not all states. Just like OJ, but with more circumstantial evidence.

For his defense, he could try to claim self-defense or NGI. Not that it would get him anywhere, but he could try.

The guilty party of the crime should be doing life, and not be offered a plea deal of 30 years. The DA must not be confident of winning the case, or worse, wants to save the county money by avoiding a trail.

There's a mention of a weapons charge but no more information and no mention if a knife was recovered? I'm curious if the murder weapon was from her apartment or if he brought one.

30yrs without parole is an insult and injustice to the family, community, and mankind in general. Even if it was just Murder 2, the savagery of the attack deserves a life sentence.

Good luck with a self defense claim in NJ. In NJ, one has the duty to retreat first. Then:
The force used must be immediately necessary
The force against the defendant must be unlawful
The amount of force used must be necessary

Based upon his physique, he would probably have a hard time with this claim unless she was pointing a gun at him.
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#6
Good luck with a self defense claim in NJ

Never said it would work.

But for the sake of argument...


one has the duty to retreat first.

Prove that he didn't try.


The force used must be immediately necessary

He just dropped by to walk her back to work and she freaked out and grabbed a knife.


Prove that she didn't.


The force against the defendant must be unlawful

See above.


The amount of force used must be necessary

He was so scared at almost dying, he freaked out.


Based upon his physique, he would probably have a hard time with this claim unless she was pointing a gun at him.

No argument there. There have a ton of court cases where a woman of small stature has claimed self-defense where a man might not do so successfully.

Again, this is about the original question as to what the suspect 'could' claim under self-defense. I never suggested a jury would by it.

At this point, the suspect is probably believes by refusing a plea deal, he's some how demonstrating his innocence. He may even be in denial (in his head) and his attorney hasn't been able to convince him otherwise.

I'm still aghast the DA even offered a plea deal and would like to know exactly why he did so. Apparently he knows something we don't.
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