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Schrödinger’s detainees
#1
from The Atlantic Daily newsletter


The executive branch continues to try to dodge both the law and what courts have ordered it to do. Talking Points Memo reports that the men are now Schrödinger’s detainees—not clearly in the custody of the U.S., which arrested them and is paying El Salvador to house them, nor in the custody of El Salvador, which has no obvious authority to hold them. The legal scholar Ryan Goodman notes that the executive branch claims in another case that it didn’t have to follow a court order barring the departments of Justice and Homeland Security from deporting some people, because—aha!—they transferred the detainees to Defense Department planes for final delivery to El Salvador. Goodman doesn’t believe that this passes legal tests, and it certainly doesn’t pass the test of basic logic.

This insulting legal cutesiness was always the plan. The Trump administration understood that the deportations it was undertaking were legally dubious, and it sought to get around legal protections by whatever means it could. If the people who are getting arrested are really the cold-blooded criminals the executive branch insists they are, saying so in a court of law should be relatively easy, and the reluctance to even try implies otherwise. The White House can’t uphold “law and order” by discarding it in the cases of these detainees. The rule of law demands justice for Kilmar Abrego Garcia—and for many others too.
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#2
Haven’t read the text of the articles (behind paywalls), nor seen the 60 Minutes episode, but the headlines say “About 90% of migrants sent to El Salvador lacked U.S. criminal record”.

Very well-behaved “gangbangers”, doncha think?

In contrast, depends on how you define it, but the FBI says 29% of all adult Americans have a criminal record (in this case/definition, charged with a felony, says Politifact).
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#3
FTFY:

The rule of law demands due process

Unfortunately, we have become a nation ruled by old and wealthy white mean, no longer a nation ruled by laws.

When the debt ceiling hits, this will become obvious. There was a chance for the Democratic Senators to get to this point sooner by rejecting the continuing resolution to keep the government open, out of fear that the narcissist usurper king and his F-elon would keep it that way... but I believe it would have made an opening for the (functional) state governments to fill the gap and form a new, more perfect union.

I look forward to 2029 when an armed forces special operation will be required to break those men out of that prison death camp and get them their due process.
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#4
I hate to say it, but gabester’s idea regarding the special ops is more than a little problematic. I do like it though, but let’s consider some things.

First, it can be seen as an invasion/act of aggression to go into that country to get them. It could be seen as an act of war with all the optics against us.

Secondly how do you determine who to extract when the records are as screwed up as they most likely are, and you don’t wind up emptying the prison and bringing them all over here (time is short, and identification problematic)? This in essence brings the thousands of actual criminals and gang members HERE.

Short term “gains”, long term consequences of poorly thought out acts.

Don’t get me wrong—this should NEVER have happened and I believe it criminal. Cleaning up this mess will be a longstanding nightmare.
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#5
I look forward to 2029 when an armed forces special operation will be required to break those men out of that prison death camp and get them their due process.


That will never happen.

It might be possible though, if we were to have an actual return to rule of law in '29, that we might actually be able to negotiate their return.

My preference would be fora Jack Ryan/John Clark SpecOp.

But the potential for a huge 'international incident' would make it a last resort action, if it were even to be considered.
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#6
Just stop paying El Salvador and the situation will resolve by itself.
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#7
I think it’s black humor that the Trumpies have said that paying El Salvador for imprisoning people that don’t have any criminal record “saves money”.
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