It's all about Pakistan now

[OWC Jamie]

[August West]

kj wrote:
That's cute, but you know it's not true. kj.

kj wrote:
B.S. Black. Everything I posted was a sincere response and opinion.

Black wrote:
Nobody's buying this, sorry.

I am certainly not buying it. It's interesting that kj can't reconcile the two articles he linked, but somehow he can reconcile his statements.

kj, articulating his preconceived notions and prejudices, believes that everything he posts is sincere, but those who post opinions contrary to his own are insincere.

kj needs to work on his critical faculties, sincerely.

[Dennis S]

Dakota wrote:
I always wanted to compile a ratio of liberal to conservative posting ratio here. This thread is the perfect place for it. The feeling of ownership is palpable by repeated use of "we".

That would be a good job for you. Let us know your findings.

[Grace62]

Dakota wrote:
I always wanted to compile a ratio of liberal to conservative posting ratio here. This thread is the perfect place for it. The feeling of ownership is palpable by repeated use of "we".

I for one would welcome more conservative voices on the forum. Diversity of opinions and knowledge makes life interesting, and that's how we learn.
Do you think that your style of commenting, Dakota, invites or discourages more conservatives from joining us?

[Carnos Jax]

He won't answer that. He's blinded by ownership versus statistics. When you have a forum that is composed of people mostly with left leaning tendencies, the simple fact is that statistically more of the posts are going to be left leaning. How that translates to ownership is beyond me. Of course, he has to frame it in such a way that's acceptable to his way of thinking, regardless of reality.

[kj]

Grace62 wrote:
[quote=Dakota]
I always wanted to compile a ratio of liberal to conservative posting ratio here. This thread is the perfect place for it. The feeling of ownership is palpable by repeated use of "we".

I for one would welcome more conservative voices on the forum. Diversity of opinions and knowledge makes life interesting, and that's how we learn.
Do you think that your style of commenting, Dakota, invites or discourages more conservatives from joining us?
It would be awesome if we could actually discuss this whole line of thought in an honest manner. It's never happened, but I think it can.

Right leaning people have several times left, never to return, and said that it is because people here are hostile toward them. Yet, it has come up several times that it is somehow the fault of the right-leaning people here that more right-leaning people don't participate. People said the same thing to Spearmint when he was here, and the same thing to Fly on the Wall, when he was here. I think you guys really need to admit that there is something to their perceptions that people here are hostile.

My honest attempt is going to be the observation that no one on the left/liberal/democrat side is going to understand that it is really very unpleasant to have 10 people in one thread throwing insults, sarcasm, etc. at you with no support from similar thinkers at all. For the simple reason that it hasn't, and isn't going to happen to them. Well, actually it has happened, but only once in all the years I've been here, and I guarantee the liberal who was ganged up on didn't react very well.

Another point is that every right leaning person here has been subjected to out an out insults and name calling. Even DaveS, who has never done anything to deserve it. And fwiw, that's a common theme. "Yeah, I know I just insulted him or called him a derogatory name, but he deserves it." Can we agree that those who call others derogatory names almost always feel justified? Are they though?

I don't feel too optimistic that what I have to say will be greeted well, mostly because I think a good portion of those here, are here to be mean. Or maybe it really is just the dynamic set by the general makeup of this forum (left/liberal/democrat).

At any rate, when I go back to read this whole thread, I don't see people trying to be nice, as Gute said. If you do, point it out, because I can't see it. I don't think your assessments of me are fair, and further, I don't even think you believe they are. And drop the whole "can't handle the heat" crap. It doesn't make any sense. kj.

[Carnos Jax]

kj wrote: Right leaning people have several times left, never to return, and said that it is because people here are hostile toward them. Yet, it has come up several times that it is somehow the fault of the right-leaning people here that more right-leaning people don't participate. People said the same thing to Spearmint when he was here, and the same thing to Fly on the Wall, when he was here. I think you guys really need to admit that there is something to their perceptions that people here are hostile.
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My honest attempt is going to be the observation that no one on the left/liberal/democrat side is going to understand that it is really very unpleasant to have 10 people in one thread throwing insults, sarcasm, etc. at you with no support from similar thinkers at all.
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I think it must be a matter of perception (on both sides). To me it seems the right has been equally as hostile. Of course, I'm tempted to say that is what precipitated hostility from the left, i.e. the tone of a post sets the nature of the response. Of course, both sides may simply be biased in their perceptions. At the very least, it averages out the same on both sides of the equation, with the greater numbers of people on the left just creating a higher volume...but that's just a statistical byproduct. How do you think it would be if both sides were equally as hostile but the left/right numbers were reveresed?

kj wrote: Another point is that every right leaning person here has been subjected to out an out insults and name calling. Even DaveS, who has never done anything to deserve it. And fwiw, that's a common theme. "Yeah, I know I just insulted him or called him a derogatory name, but he deserves it." Can we agree that those who call others derogatory names almost always feel justified? Are they though?

You could substitute "left" in your first sentence and it would be equally as valid. Yes, the name calling happens, and I'm sure the one feels the other deserves it. But in many cases the justification is felt due to the other being the one to first throw the insult/name (I've seen this on both sides...of course not that name calling by one necessarily justifies name calling by the other).

kj wrote: ...I think a good portion of those here, are here to be mean. Or maybe it really is just the dynamic set by the general makeup of this forum (left/liberal/democrat)...

Again, it appears that would apply to both sides (to not sound biased).

[$tevie]

My problem with the whining from the right is that they posts insults constantly but they believe they disguise them in such a way that they can turn around and say, "hey, you insulted me for no reason".

The technique has become tedious. "Libs do this" "Lefties do that" "Libs are mother rapers" "Lefties are father rapers" "Libs put that envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage"

Now, I happen to be a "lefty"/"lib". What am I supposed to think when people post this stuff? "Oh no, they aren't talking about me! They are being totally polite to me!"

I call BS on this poor-innocent-conservatives crap.

[Grace62]

Carnos Jax wrote:
He won't answer that.

Why not let him speak for himself, if he chooses?

[OWC Jamie]

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