It's all about Pakistan now

[Grace62]

[kj]

You know, I guess a lot of it comes down to the feeling of having literally 10 people misunderstanding you, insulting you, some legitimately disagreeing. It's hardly possible to respond to everyone (it would take all day.. err). And sorry, but no, that just does not happen to those on the left/liberal/democrat side of things. I assume it would be the same dynamic if reversed.

>>>You could substitute "left" in your first sentence and it would be equally as valid. Yes, the name calling happens, and I'm sure the one feels the other deserves it. But in many cases the justification is felt due to the other being the one to first throw the insult/name (I've seen this on both sides...of course not that name calling by one necessarily justifies name calling by the other).

I actually don't think that's true. Look at cbelt. He has never to my knowledge insulted or name called, but he's certainly had that done to him. Same with DaveS. And look at all the asskissing cbelt has to do to stay out of trouble (sorry cbelt, not meant as an insult). He treads very lightly. And no, I strongly feel that no matter the "tone" someone takes, it is not justified to name call/insult. It has to stop somewhere, so make it stop with you (collectively, not just you).

Again, looking back at the thread, try putting yourself in my place and imagine trying to respond to all the people who respond to me. I'm not sure it can be done. It definitely can't be done gracefully. The alternative is just letting people misunderstand. Just the beginning: I never said Obama staged the OBL killing. I maintain if that's what I meant, that's what I would have said (not only that, but it's absurd, no one would say that). Two people accuse me of that. Not in a nice way. I correct their perception. Then I get this, "Because most of yesterday you repeatedly posted that you didn't say this and you don't believe that." Well, yeah, because I didn't say that/don't believe that, never said I did. What am I supposed to say? Then August throws in his stuff that doesn't make one iota of sense, and I just don't have the time or inclination. Then there's you jumping in at the end with your snide remarks and not so veiled insults. How is that reasonable? Then Gute says everyone's being nice to me? Waits for me to say I'm leaving because everyone is mean to me again (when did I ever say that, does anyone have the time to correct that mischaracterization?). The alternative? Hit and run. Then you get people like John Dough following you around asking when you are going to answer the hundreds of idiotic, impertinent questions people have asked in the past. It's silly, with a capital F. kj.

[kj]

$tevie wrote:
My problem with the whining from the right is that they posts insults constantly but they believe they disguise them in such a way that they can turn around and say, "hey, you insulted me for no reason".

The technique has become tedious. "Libs do this" "Lefties do that" "Libs are mother rapers" "Lefties are father rapers" "Libs put that envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage"

Now, I happen to be a "lefty"/"lib". What am I supposed to think when people post this stuff? "Oh no, they aren't talking about me! They are being totally polite to me!"

I call BS on this poor-innocent-conservatives crap.

I think the difference is in the being outnumbered department (i'm not saying poor, innocent, etc.). It makes one feel like you are scrambling for your life, and at least my responses reflect that feeling.

And I can't speak for everyone, but when i point out things I believe people do wrong, my internal context is that I sincerely believe we are all fatally flawed, so to me it doesn't seem insulting. I also realize it doesn't feel that way for others, so I apologize for that. But, I'll be the first to say I'm a really flawed person, and I'm ok with that, but not everyone feels that way. But at the bear minimum, it'd be nice if people could reduce the outright namecalling and insults. Babysteps? kj.

[$tevie]

kj wrote:
Waits for me to say I'm leaving because everyone is mean to me again (when did I ever say that, does anyone have the time to correct that mischaracterization?).

I think Gutie is referring to this:
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2...msg-747624

[August West]

kj wrote:
Then August throws in his stuff that doesn't make one iota of sense, and I just don't have the time or inclination

It's very hard to take someone seriously who asserts opinions and asks questions, yet has neither the time nor inclination to come to an understanding.

When I began to seriously discuss the article YOU linked, did you treat me seriously? When I took the time to read it, think about it, and respond with my thoughts about it, was that something only a "leftie" could do, because I just have so much more time than you?

I maintain that it was an attempt at serious discussion of an interesting piece.

kj wrote:
And no, I strongly feel that no matter the "tone" someone takes, it is not justified to name call/insult. It has to stop somewhere, so make it stop with you (collectively, not just you).

kj wrote:
And look at all the asskissing cbelt has to do to stay out of trouble (sorry cbelt, not meant as an insult). He treads very lightly.

Perhaps he is sincerely expressing his beliefs, maybe he doesn't march in lockstep with anyone but himself. Though he favors the conservative, that would be my take. I certainly wouldn't use the term you used to describe his posts. Perhaps you ought to consider why you would categorize his opinions as "asskissing...to stay out of trouble" Maybe you are a little too defensive and arrive with some chips on your shoulder. Of course, because you didn't mean it as an insult, I'm sure it's much more palatable for him to be described as "asskissing" and an improvement to the tone of the forum.

Finally, because you seem to think that you are sincere, and so many others aren't, and because you believe that "the lefties" are insulting, but not the right, I will take it with a grain of salt that I don't "make one iota of sense."

[Dennis S]

kj - I assume I am one of the Gang of 10 bad bully libs. I will paint your house if you show me one time where I have insulted cbelt and I'll haul out your trash if you show where anyone else has beyond just normal give and take.

[Black]

Grace62 wrote:

LOL :-)

[davester]

kj wrote: (slightly paraphrased) I'm a victim...all you lefties are ganging up on me!

Your MO is to post long rambling posts full of poorly thought out fact-free opinions and then you get upset and/or change your story when people start telling you in detail why your opinions are bogus. It has nothing to do with right or left, but everything to do with you posting data-free opinions that you cannot or will not back up. My impression is that you don't do this to be belligerent (which is the difference between you and the troll), but that you are a bit lazy when it comes to researching your opinions before you post, so that you find yourself in the situation of defending indefensible statements. It wouldn't be so bad if you could just accept the corrections, but you typically attempt to alter your argument midstream or post counterarguments that have no bearing on your original statements. I think this is the key behavior that gets people annoyed with you.

[Mac1337]

This notion that only if "thoughtful" conservatives posted here we could have civilized discussion is hogwash. The lefties(which by the way deny they even exist) are vicious, intolerants who attack the most polite people you can face. And yes, you guys think you OWN this place. There is one moderate conservative here but just watch what happens to him when he steps out of the reservation an inch. Coming here is like being stared at by people sitting on their porches as the stranger walks past them. All you want is to start a thread like Aren't Republicans Evil and then have post after post saying Amen to each other. Well, I will make sure you will be denied this pleasure.

[Acer]

I'd like to see a conservative version of Ted King or Grace62 here. Both of them write thoughtful, substantiated posts with few if any invectives or personal attacks, then engage in meaningful discussion of same.

I've NEVER seen a strong conservative even try that here. It's always Rush's talking points, or repeating the same damn "question" over and over when its been addressed a hundred freaking times, or at best some vaguely whiney stereotyped presumption about what liberals REALLY want, e.g. to control our lives or take our money.

Actually, that pretty much describes all strong conservative discourse of the last ten years everywhere. Bill Buckley has got to be rolling in his grave.

(When cbelt gets thoughtful, he starts to sound suspiciously moderate, which is telling in and of itself.)