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05-12-2011, 06:22 AM
We've argued this before, and I say go ahead. But you better make State Colleges and Universities pay taxes too. As well as all the other tax exempt charities, institutions, etc. Before, this is when you've said it's a matter of separation of church and state (doesn't apply to non-religious institutions). Not this time since rjmacs has argued, and you seem to agree, it's not a matter of separation of church and state. You can't have it both ways. kj.
05-12-2011, 06:24 AM
August West wrote: Mark 13 Matthew 24 Luke 17 Luke 21 Note that as the apocalypse's mark is missed, timing predictions become more and more vague. This has happened through history. Well duh, but I've not seen it as a rationale for why Jesus didn't bother to address politics or government. And since your so well read on the subject, I'll assume you know there are other interpretations. kj.
05-12-2011, 01:00 PM
kj wrote: Did you bother to read YOUR quote that I excerpted? kj wrote: I responded to what you wrote. I cited scripture which directly applies to what you wrote. I would be very interested to hear your interpretation of those apocalyptic passages.
05-12-2011, 06:53 PM
August West wrote: Did you bother to read YOUR quote that I excerpted? kj wrote: I responded to what you wrote. I cited scripture which directly applies to what you wrote. I would be very interested to hear your interpretation of those apocalyptic passages. Um, I wrote the quote of me that you included. Again, I'm obviously familiar with the apocalyptic passages, but I've never heard the argument that they are responsible for Jesus' lack of political and economic focus. And in fact, if the apocalypse was coming that soon, I don't see much reason for most of what he said. Further, you don't believe (as you've said) that we have any real idea what Jesus did or said (or even that he existed at all), so I don't see a point in discussing it. At any rate, alternative interpretations are really easy to come by if you expand your search beyond "badbible.com", so if you want to look at it from both sides, just do it. But I feel like all my responses do is provide you with something to be hostile toward. kj.
05-12-2011, 07:35 PM
kj wrote: If you examine some of the quotations that are considered to be accurate, they are easily interpreted as apocalyptic. In Jesus' time, the impending apocalypse was thought to bring the kingdom of god to the planet earth. There was not the conception of heaven as Christians now understand it. The idea, then, was an earthly paradise in which the righteous were blessed and the unrighteous were punished. This was a meme repeated throughout the Jewish Biblical literature, of which Jesus was well aware and of which he was schooled. The Jews had lived under varying forms of occupation for centuries and imagined, through religion, of escaping it.Thus Jesus had every interest to speak of the impending apocalypse and the means through which his followers would ensure their survival into the coming paradise. ETA: I recall you took umbrage of my posting from Matthew in an earlier thread, where Jesus spoke of taking the sword to family. This is an example of his lack of concern for social structure in accordance with his belief that it was more important to worry about the impending apocalypse that to show concern over social stability. kj wrote: I am open to conjecture as to what Jesus preached and have previously examined it. Further, I don't believe I have ever questioned the existence of Jesus, if I did, I misspoke, I do consider him a major historical figure. kj wrote: I have no idea what "badbible.com" is and have never visited such a site. Based on your responses to Biblical topics, I am confident that I have examined more alternative interpretations of Biblical literature than you are even aware exist. This is one reason being able to compare ideologies is important.
05-12-2011, 10:14 PM
Grace62 wrote: What I do in my residence and what is done in an office, store or even a movie theatre are quite different but are all subject to property taxes. Churches, synagogues, temples and mosques should pay just the same. You'll just need to put more in the collection plate. how will your town make up for all the free social services performed by churches? You won't be able to cover them with taxes. Gonna pay more in taxes? So from claiming constitutional protection you've descended to financial scare tactics worthy of a televangelist. Shame on you.
05-13-2011, 03:38 PM
I wasn't on point and did not wish to unnecessarily distract from the topic at hand.
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