WA measles outbreak likely originated in Bible study class

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Lemon Drop wrote:
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So, your statement is from personal experience then. That's fine, just say that.

Just curious - do you know any communities of color who fit the demographic in the article?

Yes, of course I know of wealthy, well-educated non-white communities. None are anti-vaxxer clusters.

If you can find any non-white anti-vaxxer communities I'd be really interested in that. If you can show that the vast majority of people following that movement are not white, I'll be surprised. Interested, but surprised. Because there's plenty of evidence beyond "my personal experience" to show that

Also this is a weird thing to argue about and without a doubt the very least important thing about this issue.
I don't know any anti-vaxxers of any color. Doesn't mean I believe they don't exist. There's a very large world out there you know.

The article did not mention race, but you brought it into your comment as a matter of fact based on your limited experience. That happens way too often in the world.

[rjmacs]

Lots of people arguing that 'not all anti-vaxxers are white,' despite the fact that nobody here has claimed that 'all anti-vaxxers are white.'

[$tevie]

Perhaps this

I'm not implying any kind of uniformity among members of racial groups and these ideologies, and there are lots of exceptions to the rule. But there's still some resonance, for me.

is what set us off.

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rjmacs wrote:
Lots of people arguing that 'not all anti-vaxxers are white,' despite the fact that nobody here has claimed that 'all anti-vaxxers are white.'

I beg to differ....

Anti-vaxxers are nearly always white, affluent, well-educated parents. You do not find clusters of poor minority parents letting their kids go without vaccines. Those people would expect to be punished for doing that.

[rjmacs]

$tevie wrote:
Perhaps this

I'm not implying any kind of uniformity among members of racial groups and these ideologies, and there are lots of exceptions to the rule. But there's still some resonance, for me.

is what set us off.

Perhaps. I’m not sure why. I gave all you sensitive white folk plenty of space to disavow anti-vaxxerism as pertains to your whiteness.

If you’re all upset that i pointed out that white people are more likely to exempt themselves from systems because they feel like they’re entitled to do so, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s just part of having privilege.

I get fragile too sometimes. It’s part of being white.

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rjmacs wrote:
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Perhaps this

I'm not implying any kind of uniformity among members of racial groups and these ideologies, and there are lots of exceptions to the rule. But there's still some resonance, for me.

is what set us off.

Perhaps. I’m not sure why. I gave all you sensitive white folk plenty of space to disavow anti-vaxxerism as pertains to your whiteness.

If you’re all upset that i pointed out that white people are more likely to exempt themselves from systems because they feel like they’re entitled to do so, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s just part of having privilege.

I get fragile too sometimes. It’s part of being white.
I'd have the same issue with your comment no matter what racial group you "resonated" with. The issue is not race. it's stupidity. It's not limited to race.

Maybe in your mind you need to make everything about race to somehow relieve your guilt from being white?

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timg wrote:
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[quote=$tevie]
Perhaps this

I'm not implying any kind of uniformity among members of racial groups and these ideologies, and there are lots of exceptions to the rule. But there's still some resonance, for me.

is what set us off.

Perhaps. I’m not sure why. I gave all you sensitive white folk plenty of space to disavow anti-vaxxerism as pertains to your whiteness.

If you’re all upset that i pointed out that white people are more likely to exempt themselves from systems because they feel like they’re entitled to do so, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s just part of having privilege.

I get fragile too sometimes. It’s part of being white.
I'd have the same issue with your comment no matter what racial group you "resonated" with. The issue is not race. it's stupidity. It's not limited to race.

Maybe in your mind you need to make everything about race to somehow relieve your guilt from being white?
I agree that the main reason that it's mostly wealthy white people opting out from vaccinations and endangering the general public is white-privilege. They do it in part because they feel that they can get away with it and in part because they truly believe that a Liberal Arts degree and a couple of Google searches make them smarter than MDs.

In many places, if a black family tries to opt out from vaccinations, they face extra bureaucratic challenges and a greater risk of child-services getting involved. And if you don't think that's a legit fear, you don't know what goes on in this age.

Even so, there are some black communities that have succumbed to the fear. There was a group of recent immigrants in Minnesota awhile back who bought the Wakefield BS about autism and were suckered by Internet hoaxes about vaccines being used to genetically target and poison black kids. It triggered the worst measles outbreak in the U.S. in decades. Nearly 50 kids in the ICU in the first month and the local government handing out hospital-masks to try and curb the epidemic.

[Lemon Drop]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24247148

"It is important to understand who refuses vaccines and for what reasons. Smith et al. used the National Immunization Survey from 1995 to 2001 to characterize infants who received no routine childhood immunizations. Unvaccinated infants were more likely to be male, white, with married mothers of age over 30y, college educated, living in households with an annual income over $75 000 and with 4 or more children compared with vaccinated infants. Others studies have characterized unvaccinated children belonging to families intentionally refusing vaccines with similar demographic characteristics."

[$tevie]

I'm not fragile. I think you're the one who's fragile, rjmacs, because you have to weigh every word before you post it so it won't tarnish your self-image as one of the good ones. Me, I say whatever the hell I am thinking.

Can't you guys win your bleeding heart liberal badges without constantly trying to force the rest of us to join your hair shirt club?

People who won't vaccinate are stupid. Yeah, I'm talking about all of them. I'm not afraid to call anybody stupid, even if they aren't stupid white people.

Stupid.

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Lemon Drop wrote:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24247148

"It is important to understand who refuses vaccines and for what reasons. Smith et al. used the National Immunization Survey from 1995 to 2001 to characterize infants who received no routine childhood immunizations. Unvaccinated infants were more likely to be male, white, with married mothers of age over 30y, college educated, living in households with an annual income over $75 000 and with 4 or more children compared with vaccinated infants. Others studies have characterized unvaccinated children belonging to families intentionally refusing vaccines with similar demographic characteristics."

You can pick and choose statistics and studies to support whatever you like. If you had actually read the cited article, you would have seen that it was from a study done in Colorado, a state with a population that is 70% white. It's not surprising that most of the people refusing vaccinations are white.