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since some of you are a lot more politically and historically educated than I.
I wonder if anyone can explain what took NATO so long to "discuss" the possibility of a NFZ over Ukraine.
Not enough innocent populous killed by 3 weeks of unprovoked attacked from pootie?
Are they waiting for an OK from PetroChina, Exon/Mobile, BP, Royal Dutch, the Carcrashians ....?
Or is it just the world is bat 5h1t crazy?
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Russia is unlikely to change tactics. One of their aircraft would be shot down. Russia would declare war with NATO countries. Berlin, Paris, and London would get nuked. We would nuke Moscow. They would detect the nuke before it landed, and send all remaining 6000 nuclear warheads to us. We would detect this, and send all ours towards them. The world would become uninhabitable and lifeless. Eventually, the sun will expand and consume Mercury, Venus, and the Earth. Mars will become habitable, but because we are already extinct, it won't matter.
That's the concern.
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I don't think it was ever seriously considered due to what S Pupp said.
You can't really create a no fly zone without some combat and Putin would respond poorly to that.
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no more bacon...
Isn't that the outcome pootie wants anyway?
Aren't we headed there anyway, but at a slower pace?
Imagine where we'd be if certain western nations and/or NATO (had it existed at the time) had stalled so long to "attend" WWII?
Oh .... wait ....
Hasn't poo more or less stated that he wants to return Russia to it's glory? Isn't that just another way of saying "watch out Eastern Europe and former Soviet satellites"?
Has NATO become the modern Neville Chamberlain?
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Fritz wrote:
I wonder if anyone can explain what took NATO so long to "discuss" the possibility of a NFZ over Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/mas...022-03-09/
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Russia would view countries that joined a no-fly zone as "participants in a military conflict."
Even if launching a no-fly zone did not precipitate a catastrophic all-out war with nuclear-armed Russia, there is no guarantee it would actually be successful...
Referencing a RAND study in the case of Kosovo, Pietrucha and Benitez noted that "despite a world-class air force’s best effort against a second-rate defense," the United States never gained air supremacy and vital surveillance aircraft required to support the operation had to be kept out of the region to avoid being attacked. "Though Slobodan Milosevic did eventually capitulate, Operation Allied Force is generally viewed as an operational failure that happened to succeed — and that was over 20 years ago," they wrote.
The two authors added that to enforce a no-fly zone today against a nation "with any semblance of artillery, man-portable air defense systems, and/or advanced surface-to-air missiles" was "neither operationally feasible nor politically appetizing."
"The no-fly zone is the wrong tool for the wrong job and would create dangerous and destructive outcomes for the United States and its NATO allies," they concluded...
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but I repeat myself...
"Hasn't poo more or less stated that he wants to return Russia to it's glory? Isn't that just another way of saying "watch out Eastern Europe and former Soviet satellites"?
Has NATO become the modern Neville Chamberlain?"
what other, even neutral, outcome could the world expect?
Other than the Russian people deciding they've had enough (not that it seems many are even aware due to the pootie info blackout) and find a way into the inner circle.
" Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Russia would view countries that joined a no-fly zone as "participants in a (an unprovoked) military conflict."
Just wanted to fix what that f-wit said.
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Has NATO become the modern Neville Chamberlain?"
It's a weak analogy.
The rap on Neville is that he was cowed by the desolation of a recent (WWI) catastrophe and would do anything to avoid another such. This was probably true.
He wasn't faced with MAD - we are.
