08-09-2016, 01:13 PM
davester wrote:
[quote=Ted King] There can be disagreement on whether or not an incremental approach to the problem is sufficient or that it is necessary to have radical change relatively quickly.
Perhaps, but we're not talking about incremental vs radical change in a desired direction. We're talking about the wishful thinking that assisting someone whose ideas you hate in becoming leader of the country in the hope that he is such a bad leader that a breakdown of the system will occur and out of the chaos will grow a wonderful worker's paradise, simply because it must be so. That is what I think many of the Bernie-or-Busters are pretending (to themselves) will happen. First off, that sort of thinking is complete nonsense and those who think that way need to get a grip. Second, and perhaps more importantly, allowing a Trump into office would hurt many people over a long period of time since he would appoint several lifetime supreme court justices who would no doubt eventually reverse Roe vs Wade, backtrack on gay marriage rights, and remove many other protections, and has already indicated that he plans to start wars. This is not to mention all of those immigrants and refugees. In addition, it is important to note that Hitler came into power in a democratic society in very much the same way as Trump is trying to...championing authoritarianism with him as the only person who can save society, vilifying races and religions as being to blame for our societal ills,
The context for the part of what I said that you quoted was that I was talking about all the Sanders supporters who will not vote for Clinton, not just the "busters" who want Trump to win to screw up the system. Some Sanders supporters who won't vote for Clinton may not vote at all. Some may vote for the Green Party. I was trying to argue that just because someone isn't voting for Clinton doesn't necessarily imply that they are ideological twits.