04-25-2021, 05:15 AM
It’s not admirable to kill a child, sorry. At best it’s the easy out. This fascination with certainty and guaranteed but narrow outcomes isn’t enforcement, it’s artificial justification based on pre-determined criteria, NOT situational criteria.
What a crock of BS.
You should be apologizing for deliberately mischaracterizing what I said to suit your agenda.
The officer did perform admirably.
As tragic as the suspect's death was, he prevented more tragedy.
That was abundantly clear in the video.
An easy out?
You presume much.
The other day cops killed a dude when they came to his house to arrest him on an outstanding warrant.
Not the same thing.
Anything else, while we’re speculating?
You said:
Folks like to play what-if. OK, I can do that. What if the best outcome was for the "truly innocent" (girl in pink about to probably get stabbed, right?) was to suffer a knife wound, possibly fatal, and that our victim here suffered I don't know, one, maybe 2 shots at most, possibly fatal?
The victim's safety and well being is something something you're willing to sacrifice on your speculation that two less shots might not have killed the attacker?
Maybe you'd like to run that by the parents of the "truly innocent" victim.
What's up with the quotation marks by the way?
I didn't say "truly" so you weren't quoting me.
Are you speculating she wasn't "truly innocent"?
I ask because quotation marks are used to denote a direct quote or imply some other meaning to a word or phrase, referred to as using scare quotes.
I wasn’t aware tasers at close range were unreliable enough to not even be worth a try. She looked like she had plenty of area and thin clothing for taser probes...
Certainly unreliable enough to use on a suspect who is wielding a deadly weapon.
Time and distance dictate what's "worth a try".
My observation is there would only be one chance, no do-overs if it didn't work.
If your strategy didn't work, what then?
What do you tell the family of the victim?
'Sorry, I was trying to safe the life of the attacker and thought I could pull it off'?
I’d be shocked (no pun intended) that someone would still have both the strength and coordination after such an encounter.
But you'd be more informed.
A web search would show that Tasers are fairly reliable, but don't alway do what's expected, and that gives one pause.
Time and distance are very key elements, as well as the specific circumstances of deployment.
Anything that stops someone, even if it’s just a shoulder tap, remains perfectly capable against a lethal weapon, right?
Maybe you should have been in the Berwyn grocery store, as you could have stopped the whole thing with a shoulder tap?
Maybe that’s why 4 is better than just one? Still no reply to that.
He fired until the threat against the victim was stopped.
He didn't fire 6, 8, or 10 times, he didn't empty the magazine.
The girl went down, dropping the knife shortly after.
Given time and distance, the officer could have fired as department training dictates, and fired again if necessary.
I say given the time and distance involved in this shooting, that wasn't an option, certainly not at the risk to the victim.
One last speculation on my part– a failure to prevent injury or death to a victim targeted by an attacker with a deadly weapon would have left the officer just as responsible as he would be for an unlawful use of force against an attacker.
What a crock of BS.
You should be apologizing for deliberately mischaracterizing what I said to suit your agenda.
The officer did perform admirably.
As tragic as the suspect's death was, he prevented more tragedy.
That was abundantly clear in the video.
An easy out?
You presume much.
The other day cops killed a dude when they came to his house to arrest him on an outstanding warrant.
Not the same thing.
Anything else, while we’re speculating?
You said:
Folks like to play what-if. OK, I can do that. What if the best outcome was for the "truly innocent" (girl in pink about to probably get stabbed, right?) was to suffer a knife wound, possibly fatal, and that our victim here suffered I don't know, one, maybe 2 shots at most, possibly fatal?
The victim's safety and well being is something something you're willing to sacrifice on your speculation that two less shots might not have killed the attacker?
Maybe you'd like to run that by the parents of the "truly innocent" victim.
What's up with the quotation marks by the way?
I didn't say "truly" so you weren't quoting me.
Are you speculating she wasn't "truly innocent"?
I ask because quotation marks are used to denote a direct quote or imply some other meaning to a word or phrase, referred to as using scare quotes.
I wasn’t aware tasers at close range were unreliable enough to not even be worth a try. She looked like she had plenty of area and thin clothing for taser probes...
Certainly unreliable enough to use on a suspect who is wielding a deadly weapon.
Time and distance dictate what's "worth a try".
My observation is there would only be one chance, no do-overs if it didn't work.
If your strategy didn't work, what then?
What do you tell the family of the victim?
'Sorry, I was trying to safe the life of the attacker and thought I could pull it off'?
I’d be shocked (no pun intended) that someone would still have both the strength and coordination after such an encounter.
But you'd be more informed.
A web search would show that Tasers are fairly reliable, but don't alway do what's expected, and that gives one pause.
Time and distance are very key elements, as well as the specific circumstances of deployment.
Anything that stops someone, even if it’s just a shoulder tap, remains perfectly capable against a lethal weapon, right?
Maybe you should have been in the Berwyn grocery store, as you could have stopped the whole thing with a shoulder tap?
Maybe that’s why 4 is better than just one? Still no reply to that.
He fired until the threat against the victim was stopped.
He didn't fire 6, 8, or 10 times, he didn't empty the magazine.
The girl went down, dropping the knife shortly after.
Given time and distance, the officer could have fired as department training dictates, and fired again if necessary.
I say given the time and distance involved in this shooting, that wasn't an option, certainly not at the risk to the victim.
One last speculation on my part– a failure to prevent injury or death to a victim targeted by an attacker with a deadly weapon would have left the officer just as responsible as he would be for an unlawful use of force against an attacker.