Commas or no commas in this sentence

[Numo]

Tiangou wrote:
No commas in print under most circumstances.

But if you were trying to indicate a place to pause while speaking, then you might use commas or em-dashes:

"Can you think of any other popular laws that are -- or were -- broken by people?" she asked, pausing dramatically and then putting great emphasis on the word "were."

I like using em-dashes the best because I think it replicates the rhythm of speech in order to clarify it’s meaning. .

There is an OCD aspect to this conversation that I enjoyed.