09-05-2008, 05:11 AM
"Victory" or "winning" is a complete non-sequitur in the situation that we're in, which is a hostile occupation of a country in which we've violently overthrown the government. "Victory" refers to scoring more than the other team in a sports competition, or vanquishing and subjugating the peoples of the land you are invading (neither of which seem to be goals of either the Bush administration or McCain). Saying that you are seeking "victory" in the situation in Iraq is the statement of an oblivious moron or a grandstanding propagandist...capiche?