11-30-2008, 08:41 PM
BL..."I'm asking because you gave this registration form as evidence that Obama was an indonesian citizen, yet it says he was born in Honolulu, which you dispute. So I guess I'm confused as to why you would site this particluar document."
I cite this document because it leads me to believe that Obama became an Indonesian citizen under Indonesian law when his stepfather registered him as an Indonesian using Barry Soetoro as his legal name.
I'm not disputing that Obama might have been born in Hawaii as much as disputing the fact that we don't know. He might have been born on the moon, but we don't know because his mother could, under law, apply for a Certification of Live Birth (if he was born in Kenya) for up to a year. In this case there would be a short form because there would be no named hospital of birth, and lack the doctor and witness signatures. He gets the Certificantion (short) form based on his MOTHER's citizenship, but not necessarily a designation of 'natural born' if no one can attest to where in Hawaii he was born.
I'll really muddy up the water and say that even "Fight the Smears" claimed that Obama was a Kenyan citizen by virtue of his Father.
This link discusses that as well as a screen shot of the FTS page in case it has gone down the memory hole.
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/09/obama...pired.html
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Before you get your panties in a wad... I recognize that his Kenyan "citizenship" expired, but I just want clarification. WHO is BHO? Why all the obfuscation, sealing records, disowning his past?
I cite this document because it leads me to believe that Obama became an Indonesian citizen under Indonesian law when his stepfather registered him as an Indonesian using Barry Soetoro as his legal name.
I'm not disputing that Obama might have been born in Hawaii as much as disputing the fact that we don't know. He might have been born on the moon, but we don't know because his mother could, under law, apply for a Certification of Live Birth (if he was born in Kenya) for up to a year. In this case there would be a short form because there would be no named hospital of birth, and lack the doctor and witness signatures. He gets the Certificantion (short) form based on his MOTHER's citizenship, but not necessarily a designation of 'natural born' if no one can attest to where in Hawaii he was born.
I'll really muddy up the water and say that even "Fight the Smears" claimed that Obama was a Kenyan citizen by virtue of his Father.
This link discusses that as well as a screen shot of the FTS page in case it has gone down the memory hole.
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/09/obama...pired.html
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Before you get your panties in a wad... I recognize that his Kenyan "citizenship" expired, but I just want clarification. WHO is BHO? Why all the obfuscation, sealing records, disowning his past?