Thank you, Mr. President

[Carnos Jax]

Dakota wrote: He is not addressing any particular individual, but there is a large segment of the Democratic activists that are caught in a bind. Their support of what happened does not square with their previous positions. It was either Kerry or even Obama himself that referred to the raids in Iraq as terrorizing women and children.

Read Grace's post.

I think you can't stand it, and you're try to present an alternate/false reality.

[Mac1337]

Grace62 wrote:
You're right, there is no difference between the so far 8 year long Iraq war and the mission to kill OBL. It's not right to praise one, and criticize the other.

Iraq - civilians dead: 110,000, troops dead, 4,452 (most recent death was Friday) official wounded: 33,000 unofficial: 100,000
cost: a trillion and counting
related to 9/11? no
mission accomplished: no
property damage: immeasurable

OBL mission: civilians dead: one, zero troops injured or killed
mission accomplished: yes
related to 9/11? in the highest possible way
property damage: one compound

I barely see any difference at all.

You want to construct a different paradigm to fight terrorism. Fine. I asked you can we go in Yemen now? You come back and ask to do what? You know damn well to do what. You just know where I am taking you and you don't want to come.

[john dough]

Some are of the mind that they keep repeating the lies until they are real. They also ingest enough opinion from the extreme right that they indeed start to believe these lies as fact.

When Bush did anything rash, he was just being a cowboy, and those that called him on what he was doing wrong were haters of freedom. When Obama does ANYTHING (right or wrong), he is called every name in the book by the same "defenders of the office of the president" (read, bozos).

Thanks for the statistics, Grace.

BTW, "we" do not want to go into Yemen. If you want to go, I am sure that everyone here will donate something for your one-way ticket to Sana'a. I am sure the military would just love a chicken-hawk like you.

[Grace62]

Dakota wrote:
[quote=Grace62]
You're right, there is no difference between the so far 8 year long Iraq war and the mission to kill OBL. It's not right to praise one, and criticize the other.

Iraq - civilians dead: 110,000, troops dead, 4,452 (most recent death was Friday) official wounded: 33,000 unofficial: 100,000
cost: a trillion and counting
related to 9/11? no
mission accomplished: no
property damage: immeasurable

OBL mission: civilians dead: one, zero troops injured or killed
mission accomplished: yes
related to 9/11? in the highest possible way
property damage: one compound

I barely see any difference at all.

You want to construct a different paradigm to fight terrorism. Fine. I asked you can we go in Yemen now? You come back and ask to do what? You know damn well to do what. You just know where I am taking you and you don't want to come.
I can't predict what special operations the gov't will attempt, and neither can you. Why don't you describe what you propose in Yemen, and we can discuss whether it seems feasible, useful, worth the risk, etc.

[$tevie]

OBL is dead and all the right wing got was this lousy "I hate Obama" t-shirt.

[Grace62]

$tevie wrote:
OBL is dead and all the right wing got was this lousy "I hate Obama" t-shirt.

Perfect.

[Mac1337]

Grace62 wrote:
[quote=Dakota]
[quote=Grace62]
You're right, there is no difference between the so far 8 year long Iraq war and the mission to kill OBL. It's not right to praise one, and criticize the other.

Iraq - civilians dead: 110,000, troops dead, 4,452 (most recent death was Friday) official wounded: 33,000 unofficial: 100,000
cost: a trillion and counting
related to 9/11? no
mission accomplished: no
property damage: immeasurable

OBL mission: civilians dead: one, zero troops injured or killed
mission accomplished: yes
related to 9/11? in the highest possible way
property damage: one compound

I barely see any difference at all.

You want to construct a different paradigm to fight terrorism. Fine. I asked you can we go in Yemen now? You come back and ask to do what? You know damn well to do what. You just know where I am taking you and you don't want to come.
I can't predict what special operations the gov't will attempt, and neither can you. Why don't you describe what you propose in Yemen, and we can discuss whether it seems feasible, useful, worth the risk, etc.
Zawahiri is found to be living in a shack/mansion/townhouse/gated community whatever and Yemenis aren't gonna go get him. What do we do?

[Grace62]

Dakota wrote:


Zawahiri is found to be living in a shack/mansion/townhouse/gated community whatever and Yemenis aren't gonna go get him. What do we do?

Did this hypothetical intelligence originate from the US or the Yemenis? Why won't they get him? They have tons of US aid and have successfully arrested or killed dozens of al Qaeda operatives in the past. Why won't they get this guy?

[OWC Jamie]

Grace62 wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
OBL is dead and all the right wing got was this lousy "I hate Obama" t-shirt.

Perfect.
Looks just like the policy you're looking for.

[August West]

$tevie wrote:
OBL is dead and all the right wing got was this lousy "I hate Obama" t-shirt.

Bravo! LOL