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Sandvox, RapidWeaver, iWeb, and true WYSIWYG editing
#11
Zoid -- You should purchase Multisite for iWeb ASAP -- think its $12.

Makes working with multiple sites a snap -- also makes it super simple to move sites from one machine to another.



this site is super helpful too: http://iwebfaq.org/site/iWeb_FAQ.html -- I never have bought the $15 book, but Ive been tempted to many times.
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#12
I haven't seen Flux mentioned as an alternative here. Anybody use it?
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#13
M A V I C wrote:
Anymore, I think all of these editors should be avoided 99.9% of the time. There's so many other options out there that are easier, more robust, more future proof...

FWIW, no app is "true WYSIWYG".

Please enlighten us -- which ones are those?
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#14
Robert, I didn't say to learn HTML. One of the first sites I built was in Netscape Composer. I used Go Live back when it was in German only, well before Adobe bought it. I remember buying Dreamweaver right after version 1 came out. Later I even taught a college course in Dreamweaver. So I know these editors pretty well, I know the value that once brought, and I also know their place is in the past.

The first thing to ask when building a site is: what is the purpose? That generally starts with something basic like "for other people to see it." If you're using one of these editors and building such a site, you're already shooting yourself in the foot.

The rest of what you describe reads like a bunch of examples of why what you're doing doesn't work well. You have to jump from app to app how many times? And this is something you enjoy doing? It seems strange to me that you keep repeating a pattern that ends a dead end, but say that you'll do it again.

And Zoidberg, if you have no problem with this, why did you start off your post with "Just a quick rant"?
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#15
I love RW. Yeah, it can nickel and dime you to death with additional addons, but the addons are cheap, offer great and varied functionality, and there is a huge third party market.
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#16
jdc wrote: Please enlighten us -- which ones are those?

Give me an example site - like the purpose of it.
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#17
Mavic,

I understand your point of view on this topic. Don't doubt that for a second. But, you have to look at it from mine. I mentioned learning HTML as one of the options that isn't viable for me. Consider... The value of a tool is in how well it works for you for a particular task. In my case, WYSIWYG style web site builders work well for me. I know there are other more powerful, robust tools but I have yet to use one that does the job as well for me as an individual as the tools I've used so far. But, I'm willing to look at alternatives to Seamonkey and other WYSIWYG packages if you're willing to post the names of a few of them.

Robert
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#18
Mavic,

I'm not going to give you an example site per say. But, I'll give you the idea behind a site:

1. Main home page - Welcome, links to the otehr pages, basic contact information, photo of product.
2. A sub page that offers contact information and an "about us" blurb
3. A sub page that offers more detailed product information. Has a link to the price list page and specs page
4. Price list. The page is essentially a large table. Includes a link to a downloadable PDF version of the price list.
5. Main spec page. Offers links to Detailed Specification pages as well as downloadable PDF versions of them.
6. Detailed Specification page A. It's essentially a table. The sub page for specifications has a link to this page on it. Also has a link to the downloadable version.
7. Detailed Specification page B. It's essentially a table. The sub page for specifications has a link to this page on it. Also has a link to the downloadable version.
5. Main Reference page. Offers links to Detailed Specification pages as well as downloadable PDF versions of them.
6. Detailed Reference page A. It's essentially a table with some jpg line art pictures. The sub page for references has a link to this page on it. Also has a link to the downloadable version.
7. Detailed Reference page B. It's essentially a table with some jpg line art pictures. The sub page for References has a link to this page on it. Also has a link to the downloadable version.

Each page also has a link to the other pages for quick navigation as well as mailto: links contacting via email via a email client.

The whole site should be basic in design and easy on the eyes and very quick to navigate. It must load very quickly, work on any platform and have as little extraneous "jazz" and gobbledicrap as possible. It isn't designed to be a web store or flashy or slick. It needs to be basic, easy on the eyes and provide information in a easy to understand and navigate manner.

Any suggestions as to what package to use to design and maintain a site like this will be much appreciated. Seamonkey can be used to build and maintain this type of site easily enough. It'd do it even more quickly and easier if the template for the site already exists and just needs a bit of tearing and rebuilding.

It must be a Mac application. Cross-platform would be better but Mac only is fine. No web based systems. I need to be able to work on the site whether or not I have access to the Internet.

Robert
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#19
M A V I C wrote:
[quote=jdc]Please enlighten us -- which ones are those?

Give me an example site - like the purpose of it.
OK -- for my daughters preschool.

maybe 25 pages total. needs an updateable calendar on one page.

also has a rotating "news & events" section.

http://web.me.com/krisandjeff/FNS/FNS_we...ector.html
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#20
jdc,

Similar to what I'm envisioning but with a different purpose. That and a bit more complex that what I have in mind. I'm not looking for a rotating news section nor a calendar. Smile

Robert
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