Another 2000?

[rankandfile]

swampy wrote:
Not to worry, rankandfile, the UN will be observing polling places across the land.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263...raud-group

Thanks for the link.

I'm not familiar with the OSCE. 44 observers for the entire country may shine a few tiny lights on possible abuses; however, it won't address the major problem(s) we have. We now have a voting process that can be manipulated statewide without the "fixers" even being on site. Further, the "fix" can be accomplished without leaving a trace in many cases.

Other fixes may be discovered after the fact, but too late to change the results; for example, Ohio in 2004, where at least 300,000 votes were shifted after midnight after being run through the same servers in Chattanooga that housed the RNC and the Republican Party email accounts; servers were run by Bush-Cheney personnel. None of these facts are now in dispute.

Some voting machine companies also manufacture ATMs. They put far more security in their ATMs than they do their voting machines.

This should concern all parties. Those who like the results of current elections may wake up one day and not like what they discover. At that point, it may be too late to do anything.

[rjmacs]

I'm confident that Obama will win Ohio, and if he does, i remain convinced that Romney can't make the numbers work.

[Speedy]

I think Gov. Romney will win simply because the tide is turning. Also, I don't think the foreign policy debate will go well for Pres. Obama.

[mrbigstuff]

as someone supporting Obama, I am also very concerned about his chances at winning. and, like others, I see Romney on the swing up.

you should never peak too early. the electorate, like it or not, understand it or not, is a fickle phenomenon and changes (as we have seen so well) on a dime.

[Sam3]

Romney will win. Conservatives are motivated to go and vote, while youth, a big factor in 2008, are apathetic this year. Women are starting to shift to Romney now as well.

Why aren't there ads showing that the economy is growing?
1) unemployment is below 8%,
2) gas prices are lower than earlier,
3) the stock market has doubled,
4) housing prices are up,
5) retail sales are up
Wrapped up by a thought similar to this: "The economy is coming back, are you sure that you want to risk a change?"

All I'm seeing is ads that show:
1) 8% and above is the new normal,
2) people have given up,
3) Americans under CRUSHING debt,
4) America is no longer a world leader

If the election is about the economy, then the Democrats or Democratic-oriented PACs need to put the positives in front of the eyeballs of the American public. I'm not seeing that.

[Lemon Drop]

Sam3 wrote:
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What state are you in Sam? Maybe you're just not seeing Dem ads in your market? Because they are definitely out there and do showcase the improving economy. I would link to some but I think we're not supposed to do that here?

Yes I agree Republicans are extremely motivated, which is the gap between "likely" voters and registered voters that you see in polls. Obama supporters need to get out and vote and don't assume anything about this race excep that it's going to be really close.

[Sam3]

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=Sam3]
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What state are you in Sam? Maybe you're just not seeing Dem ads in your market? Because they are definitely out there and do showcase the improving economy. I would link to some but I think we're not supposed to do that here?

Yes I agree Republicans are extremely motivated, which is the gap between "likely" voters and registered voters that you see in polls. Obama supporters need to get out and vote and don't assume anything about this race excep that it's going to be really close.
I'm in Michigan. Heavily Republican west Michigan. I should think that I'd be seeing such ads, but maybe, if they are running, they aren't running often enough, or they haven't made an impression on me.

[Lemon Drop]

Sam3 wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
[quote=Sam3]
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What state are you in Sam? Maybe you're just not seeing Dem ads in your market? Because they are definitely out there and do showcase the improving economy. I would link to some but I think we're not supposed to do that here?

Yes I agree Republicans are extremely motivated, which is the gap between "likely" voters and registered voters that you see in polls. Obama supporters need to get out and vote and don't assume anything about this race excep that it's going to be really close.


I'm in Michigan. Heavily Republican west Michigan. I should think that I'd be seeing such ads, but maybe, if they are running, they aren't running often enough, or they haven't made an impression on me.
That explains it. Obama has a 9-11 point lead in Michigan, I don't think Romney is even contesting it at this point. And Debbie Stabenow is certainly in no danger of losing. So not many Dem resources would be going there for the President.

[Manlove]

Another oddity. In general, people want to back a winner. If they are told via adverts or the news media that a certain party is winning then there might well be the tendency to back that party, even if the truth is otherwise, which then of course, makes that party win.
This is what I feel is happening now. The Democratic panic led to a right wing resurgence which might not have happened had the Dems not panicked. So basically, if you want the Dems to win, stfu about them losing! Simple. It's what the Republicans do, led by Rove...lie and say you are winning and right and not lying, even when you aren't and you are wrong and are caught lying through your teeth.
Fake it 'till you make it!

[$tevie]

'Tis true, 'tis true. You never see the Republicans throwing their own guy under a bus.