buh-bye Toyota Tundra V8

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Is the NASCAR camping world Truck series going to switch to turbo V6 engines?

I think most hybrids/PHEVs are fine. Once a vehicle gets over 38 - 40 mpg, it takes a really huge step to make a significant improvement in carbon reduction.

[Speedy]

Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
Is the NASCAR camping world Truck series going to switch to turbo V6 engines?

I think most hybrids/PHEVs are fine. Once a vehicle gets over 38 - 40 mpg, it takes a really huge step to make a significant improvement in carbon reduction.

In a single use case but not in the aggregate.

[Speedy]

N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
[quote=davester]
[quote=Rolando]Alex on Autos talked abut Toyota's preference for Hybrids vs Pure Electrics, and worked out the numbers. Turns out at a large scale, the carbon savings is better on Hybrids.

That is nonsense except in areas where electricity is generated by burning coal and also assumes that the massive transition away from carbon-intensive electricity generation is not occurring.
Sounds like Toyota propaganda to me too, davester.

It came to light recently that Toyota is much more vested in a hybrid future than a pure EV one - this sounds like the kind of misinformation the company might feed into the marketplace to garner more support for their position. I'm sad a company like Toyota would engage in deceptive practices like this.
Yep, Toyota has no great interest in BEVs or PHEVs. But just try to buy a RAV4 Prime, a PHEV, at MSRP from a dealer.

[sekker]

Toyota might end up being the number one (ICE) car maker in the end...

They have decided to stopped innovating.

There is good reason to believe EV drive trains will hit 1 million miles on the regular basis. That will force all sorts of innovation in areas that used to be the domain of Toyota (i.e. long-lasting).

Batteries and the use of steel in the auto bodies is keeping current EVs from going as long as the drive trains.

[Rolando]

N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
It came to light recently that Toyota is much more vested in a hybrid future than a pure EV one - this sounds like the kind of misinformation the company might feed into the marketplace to garner more support for their position.

WHAT?!?!? You're telling me a company that has spent decades building and selling ICE vehicles (and AISIN transmissions, regarded as the best and used by many other manufacturers) has vested interest in continuing to do so?

I will find the video if I get a chance.

[N-OS X-tasy!]

Rolando wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
It came to light recently that Toyota is much more vested in a hybrid future than a pure EV one - this sounds like the kind of misinformation the company might feed into the marketplace to garner more support for their position.

WHAT?!?!? You're telling me a company that has spent decades building and selling ICE vehicles (and AISIN transmissions, regarded as the best and used by many other manufacturers) has vested interest in continuing to do so?
Plenty of other manufacturers who have also spent decades building and selling ICE vehicles have committed to a 100% EV future.

[deckeda]

End of an era. Toyota's innovation was V8 reliability. The Big 3 and Nissan all screwed the pooch at various times over the last 20 years in basic reliability with various "enhancements" they didn't get right regarding cylinder deactivation and other gas-mileage tricks.

Look at any so-called 1/2-ton gasoline truck in the years to come and only Toyotas will have any resale value. It's the same reason why Tacomas hold value despite not really driving as well as Colorados. The small GMs are really great for a couple years whereas the Toyotas are what you buy if looking for a used one years later.

Notice Toyota doesn't go after the turbo-diesel market in the U.S., unwilling to play the ever-increasing and stupid power race that's consumed the Big 3 ... all of which as resulted in huge prices, horrible reliability, bad fuel economy or some combination of all 3. But hey! Many hundreds of ft. pounds of torque sure is fun.

[N-OS X-tasy!]

deckeda wrote:
End of an era. Toyota's innovation was V8 reliability.

FTFY. Toyota has been known for reliability all the way back to when they only made four-bangers.

[Carm]

The v8 in the sequoia I owned for a few months, was addicted to gas, it would drink it like crazy. I would watch the needle go down on the fuel gauge at every other stop. I’m like this is BS. Sold it to another dealership for what I paid. (In 2004, Ex got a Nissan Altima 2004 and I kept my 2001 xterra)

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Speedy wrote:
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
Is the NASCAR camping world Truck series going to switch to turbo V6 engines?

I think most hybrids/PHEVs are fine. Once a vehicle gets over 38 - 40 mpg, it takes a really huge step to make a significant improvement in carbon reduction.

In a single use case but not in the aggregate.
I think it would be so even in aggregate. The US fleet average is 24,9 mpg, but that is for new cars sold not the average for vehicles currently driven. Raising the average to 40 mpg for all vehicles driven would cut gasoline consumption by almost half. That would be down to about 5,000,000 bpd from 9,500,000 bpd. The only way to cut it a similar amount would be to ban nearly all gas powered engines (heavy-duty trucks, home generators, boats, lawnmowers, ATVs, etc.).