problem with itunes

[deckeda]

Nope -- all audio CDs, whether bought or made, have a TOC. It's not optional; the CD player wouldn't be able to navigate to any tracks without it. What's missing from the audio CDs' TOC we make at home is the discid referred to in that link, i.e. the fingerprint.

Wikipedia? I realize no one knows anything you don't unless they first looked it up before you did, but such was not the case here.

But I'll let you in on a little secret. I was around, and aware when the Red Book standard was introduced. That also answers your other question as to "when it (the TOC) happened."

To roughly paraphrase something I was recently told, it helps to "realize the difference between understanding technology, and [using] technology " --- or words to that effect.

[Pat]

[quote BigGuynRusty][quote Seacrest]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDB#How_CDDB_Works
Yep, no Table Of Contents.
Wonder how Deckada got that idea?

BGnR
Directly from his link:

How CDDB Works

CDDB was designed around the task of identifying entire CDs, not merely single tracks. The identification process involves creating a 'discid', a sort of "fingerprint" of a CD created by performing calculations on the track duration information stored in the table-of-contents of the CD

[BigGuynRusty]

The TOC only contains track length information, not song info.

BGnR

[deckeda]

I hear an echo.

[Pat]

Well, I guess that's BGnRs admission that there is a TOC.

deckeda,
What about the album/track info that shows up on some cd/dvd players with some cds? Where is that info stored?

[hal]

Please explain how my cd of Allman bros - Live at Ludows Garage (NOT a bootleg) has a disc that contains ONE 44:00 track on it.

When inserted itunes can't tell if it's the Allman bros or Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick and a couple other options. It puts up a dialog box and has me choose which one it is.

If there was a table of contents, why doesn't ID the disc? and why does it confuse it with other discs that have the same one 44:00 track on a disc config.

The answer has already been presented and deckeda has had the wrong impression for quite some time...

to answer the original posters question... I suspect that the burned disc was not burned as an audio cd, but as a data cd. That would explain everything. Have her double click on the cd's icon and report what she sees.

OR one of the drives involved is not working properly.

[Seacrest]

[quote hal]Please explain how my cd of Allman bros - Live at Ludows Garage (NOT a bootleg) has a disc that contains ONE 44:00 track on it.
Because there are multiple discs with one 44:00 track.
The only information CDDB gets from its client applications is that there are x number of tracks @ xx:xx on the disc, so it searches its database for discs that match that criteria. There can be multitple discs that meet those criteria, so it returns all possible matches.

To simplify the explanation, I'll use an analogy:
"Go to section 'C' of lot 'D' and find bring me the red Taurus."
If there are several red Tauri (for the sake of argument, they have no plates or VINs), then you'll have to use the key I've given you to find the right one.

[DaviDC.]

It's those RIAA bastards trying to convince us that we really do need them!

[hal]

[quote Seacrest][quote hal]Please explain how my cd of Allman bros - Live at Ludows Garage (NOT a bootleg) has a disc that contains ONE 44:00 track on it.
Because there are multiple discs with one 44:00 track.
The only information CDDB gets from its client applications is that there are x number of tracks @ xx:xx on the disc, so it searches its database for discs that match that criteria. There can be multitple discs that meet those criteria, so it returns all possible matches.

To simplify the explanation, I'll use an analogy:
"Go to section 'C' of lot 'D' and find bring me the red Taurus."
If there are several red Tauri (for the sake of argument, they have no plates or VINs), then you'll have to use the key I've given you to find the right one.
yes, I knew that...

[quote hal]The answer has already been presented and deckeda has had the wrong impression for quite some time... .
I was wanting to get an explanation from deckeda...

[deckeda]

hal (or whomever you are ...), If you already knew that multiple discs could confuse CDDB, and why, then why on earth did you ask the question in the first place? You may recall the wikipedia link above your post --- the info was in there. Thank Seacrest for being kind enough to not only provide the link but later, to explain for you.

If there was a table of contents, why doesn't ID the disc? and why does it confuse it with other discs that have the same one 44:00 track on a disc config.

I get it now. You didn't believe me, read the wikipedia article, or anything else. Was this really just a trick question?

The answer has already been presented and deckeda has had the wrong impression for quite some time...

Really? Which answer prior to mine would that be? The speculative answers, or the incorrect/incomplete answers? And you want what from me? For me to explain why each of my responses was correct, and proven so within this very thread? Don't be an a$$hat about this.

I suspect that the burned disc was not burned as an audio cd, but as a data cd. ... OR one of the drives involved is not working properly.

Well, anything's possible. It's what's probable, based on the available info, that leads down the best path and therefore the most plausible answer. When I read, " ... and then burned cd's of ..." that didn't leave me --- or anyone else here it seems --- with the impression of it being anything other than an audio CD.

If davemchine burned a data CD but didn't make that clear, then you win the prize --- something I suspect you seem to really need. Take it, it's yours!