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Balance? So as long as Detroit produced ads more appealing to your tastes, it'd all balance out? Now that is funny!
Same marketing in the same market segment, my point still stands.
I could care less about the other market segments or Detroits financial problems, they are not the subject of this thread.
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Pat, for the sake of convenience, do you have some references comparing the quality of American and Japanese trucks. I live in Arkansas, where the state vehicle is a pick-up truck (just look at eBay for all the auctions). It seems to me that more of my friends have troubles w/domestic trucks than Japanese ones. Of course, that's just anecdotal (that's why I was wondering if you knew of any studies).
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[quote Pat]Balance? So as long as Detroit produced ads more appealing to your tastes, it'd all balance out? Now that is funny!
Same marketing in the same market segment, my point still stands.
I could care less about the other market segments or Detroits financial problems, they are not the subject of this thread.
I can't buy all their cars but the facts are the facts. Toyota and Honda are profitable without the same emphasis on the big truck and SUV line as the Big 3. I don't have to prove it, the market has proven it.
The "other segments" are the difference between the big 3 and the others. You can be upset and defend them to the hilt but the sales numbers and backups of big trucks and SUV with worldwide oil volatility speak volumes.
Like I said before, I will be cruising in a Chevy soon because there is a vehicle they make that meets my needs.
I am not the final judge on this, the consuming public is and this new big toyota could also be a flop as gas prices rise. Toyota though has the top selling car in the US and plenty of other cars. They won't be hurting as much.
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Carnos,
California has tons of pickups also. We just don't have the gunracks. ;-)
Which market segment?
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Everything that Japan makes it neato; everything that America makes is doo-doo.
For proof, I shall use my Neon and my Civic, and then apply my conclusions to everything else in the world.
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[quote pRON aHOLIC]You can be upset and defend them to the hilt but the sales numbers and backups of big trucks and SUV with worldwide oil volatility speak volumes.
Like I said before, I will be cruising in a Chevy soon because there is a vehicle they make that meets my needs.
I am not the final judge on this, the consuming public is and this new big toyota could also be a flop as gas prices rise. Toyota though has the top selling car in the US and plenty of other cars. They won't be hurting as much.
Not defending anybody, that's the point. Nowhere do I defend Detroit, at least I don't think so.
My only point of contention is that Toyota does not get b-slapped like Detroit for doing the same thing. Who cares what else they do? Not relevant. As pointed out in the other thread, we have a Toyota and a Ford. Just like you, we buy based on need, not brand loyalty.
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The ONLY reason trucks were pushed by the domestic makers was profit margin.
Trucks did not have to meet car safety standards till fairly recently.
Smog regs were more lenient toward trucks.
The Big Three pushed trucks because they made them for cheap, and sold them for big bucks.
At the same time the Big Three couldn't make a sedan that was worth a crap, they were literally coming apart.
BGnR
The day the first generation RAV4 becomes a vehicle, give me a call. They were toys.
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[quote Pat][quote pRON aHOLIC]You can be upset and defend them to the hilt but the sales numbers and backups of big trucks and SUV with worldwide oil volatility speak volumes.
Like I said before, I will be cruising in a Chevy soon because there is a vehicle they make that meets my needs.
I am not the final judge on this, the consuming public is and this new big toyota could also be a flop as gas prices rise. Toyota though has the top selling car in the US and plenty of other cars. They won't be hurting as much.
Not defending anybody, that's the point. Nowhere do I defend Detroit, at least I don't think so.
My only point of contention is that Toyota does not get b-slapped like Detroit for doing the same thing. Who cares what else they do? Not relevant. As pointed out in the other thread, we have a Toyota and a Ford. Just like you, we buy based on need, not brand loyalty.
No one is B slapping Toyota because they are not laying off tens of thousands of employees and they are profitable even before this truck ships in mass. Toyota did not suffer billions in losses nor is a candidate for sale or takeover.
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[quote Pat]Carnos,
California has tons of pickups also. We just don't have the gunracks. ;-)
Which market segment?
I know this'd be over simplifying it, but full size trucks w/an 8 cylinder engine or higher.
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Is any of this bias racially motivated, either or both ways?
Almost all the asians I know drive asian-make cars.
