Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs

[vision63]

DinerDave wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
This is all an excuse because they can't get their act together and produce enough batteries. It's what I've been saying for years now, they are starting way late on a race began years ago by Tesla. As I said then, what did legacy auto think, that they can just enter it and catch up any time they wanted too? What a bunch of idiots!

:agree: Plus if you don't qualify for the $7,500 Fed tax credit, then they probably hesitate more.

Dave
They'll be alright. It'll all pan out eventually. This is still the Genesis of the technology. People that want a Benz are gonna get a Benz.

[C(-)ris]

Steve G. wrote:
more charging stations would increase EV sales.

The public is rightly leery.

The only time you should need public charging stations is when you are traveling. With Tesla's network becoming open as soon as that transition is complete travel charging will be a non-issue for most people.

If you don't live in a place where you can plug in every night at home or plug in when you are at work to cover your daily driving then an EV is not for you. You will pay more for an EV than a gas if you use public charging most of the time.

What the public should be leery about is battery life/warranty and what those costs look like to get a new battery or to refurb a battery with issues.

[Speedy]

My 2013 and 2014 PHEVs are going strong!

We are vacationing and visiting family in Mexico City. I installed what I needed in order to recharge my car a few years ago. The 2014’s guessometer indicates 62 kms and the only time the gasoline generator has ran since we arrived in the city Jan. 14 was when I took the 2014 for its required pollution test. Today the air pollution was so bad the government announced a mandatory stoppage of a bunch of cars from traveling in the city but not mine.

[kj]

C(-)ris wrote:
[quote=Steve G.]
more charging stations would increase EV sales.

The public is rightly leery.

The only time you should need public charging stations is when you are traveling. With Tesla's network becoming open as soon as that transition is complete travel charging will be a non-issue for most people.

If you don't live in a place where you can plug in every night at home or plug in when you are at work to cover your daily driving then an EV is not for you. You will pay more for an EV than a gas if you use public charging most of the time.

What the public should be leery about is battery life/warranty and what those costs look like to get a new battery or to refurb a battery with issues.
I'm less worried about battery life than I used to be. I have a 2015 Fiat, and the batteries are still going strong. That's 9 yrs. A company that does batteries for several EVs and hybrids just began selling batteries with brand new cells (but in the same pack) for 7500. That's a fair amount of money, but there are a lot of repairs for ICE cars that cost that much nowadays, so it's not unreasonable. I expect our Tesla batteries will be at least as good. The battery is warranted 10yrs., and that doesn't mean at all it's likely to be useless by then.

[vision63]

C(-)ris wrote:
[quote=Steve G.]
more charging stations would increase EV sales.

The public is rightly leery.

The only time you should need public charging stations is when you are traveling. With Tesla's network becoming open as soon as that transition is complete travel charging will be a non-issue for most people.

If you don't live in a place where you can plug in every night at home or plug in when you are at work to cover your daily driving then an EV is not for you. You will pay more for an EV than a gas if you use public charging most of the time.

What the public should be leery about is battery life/warranty and what those costs look like to get a new battery or to refurb a battery with issues.
Half the people live in rentals. They all have cars. We have a ways to go, along with the other issues you mention. You describe how people scheme to make ev's effortless for themselves. That's cool. With a regular car, you don't have to scheme. You just get in and go. Not even a fragment of thought has to be applied to that scenario other than parking the beast. The empty light can be on and you don't have to worry at all. Just gas it up.

That's the gap that needs to be filled in. It will be soon enough.

[kj]

Speedy wrote:
My 2013 and 2014 PHEVs are going strong!

We are vacationing and visiting family in Mexico City. I installed what I needed in order to recharge my car a few years ago. The 2014’s guessometer indicates 62 kms and the only time the gasoline generator has ran since we arrived in the city Jan. 14 was when I took the 2014 for its required pollution test. Today the air pollution was so bad the government announced a mandatory stoppage of a bunch of cars from traveling in the city but not mine.

Do those have Lithium batteries? Our Prius had NiMH, which have lasted 13yrs. so far, but that's a whole different thing.
Plus, does everyone in Mexico remove their emissions equipment, or do they just not require it there? Every single car we've noticed in Mexico has been crazy stinky.

[Carnos Jax]

vision63 wrote: That's the gap that needs to be filled in. It will be soon enough.

No incentive to fill in that gap if residential consumers aren't even buying. The onus there is on the municipalities and builders/developers. And you the voter can change that, but not enough of you care to do so.

[kj]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=C(-)ris]
[quote=Steve G.]
more charging stations would increase EV sales.

The public is rightly leery.

The only time you should need public charging stations is when you are traveling. With Tesla's network becoming open as soon as that transition is complete travel charging will be a non-issue for most people.

If you don't live in a place where you can plug in every night at home or plug in when you are at work to cover your daily driving then an EV is not for you. You will pay more for an EV than a gas if you use public charging most of the time.

What the public should be leery about is battery life/warranty and what those costs look like to get a new battery or to refurb a battery with issues.
Half the people live in rentals. They all have cars. We have a ways to go, along with the other issues you mention. You describe how people scheme to make ev's effortless for themselves. That's cool. With a regular car, you don't have to scheme. You just get in and go. Not even a fragment of thought has to be applied to that scenario other than parking the beast. The empty light can be on and you don't have to worry at all. Just gas it up.

That's the gap that needs to be filled in. It will be soon enough.
38% of people live in apartments. Apartments can have chargers:

https://www.sdgenews.com/sites/sdge-news...20Oro2.jpg

Also, I think people put just as much thinking into their gas cars, if not more, they just don't notice because they've always done it. After having EVs, I feel like I spent a lot more time messing with my ICE vehicles in one way or another. Plus a thousand other things I can't believe I put up with.

[C(-)ris]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=C(-)ris]
[quote=Steve G.]
more charging stations would increase EV sales.

The public is rightly leery.

The only time you should need public charging stations is when you are traveling. With Tesla's network becoming open as soon as that transition is complete travel charging will be a non-issue for most people.

If you don't live in a place where you can plug in every night at home or plug in when you are at work to cover your daily driving then an EV is not for you. You will pay more for an EV than a gas if you use public charging most of the time.

What the public should be leery about is battery life/warranty and what those costs look like to get a new battery or to refurb a battery with issues.
Half the people live in rentals. They all have cars. We have a ways to go, along with the other issues you mention. You describe how people scheme to make ev's effortless for themselves. That's cool. With a regular car, you don't have to scheme. You just get in and go. Not even a fragment of thought has to be applied to that scenario other than parking the beast. The empty light can be on and you don't have to worry at all. Just gas it up.

That's the gap that needs to be filled in. It will be soon enough.
If you can charge at home the only scheming you need to do is remembering to plug in when you get home. IMO it is actually nicer to never have to stop at a gas station at all. It's like someone comes to my house and fills my tank to full every night and I can drive for 3 hours straight in a day before I have to worry. Not only am I saving money on gas I'm saving money on junk food I didn't need that I bought just because I was already at a Kwik Trip.

Rentals are another story, but not an unsolvable one. They can be installed in parking garages with assigned spaces or have charging stations in the outside lots with fob or app access to charge the electricity back. It's all doable in time and when tenants start asking for the chargers landlords will slowly start putting them in.

The only places where you are really going to have a hard time is people who park on the street because they don't have parking.

[Carnos Jax]

If one thinks they don’t have to scheme with an ICE car when living in an apartment, they’ll probably think they’ve died and gone to heaven when they live in a house and own an EV.