Is This Really The Best We Can Do?

[Lemon Drop]

Isn't that the same school where a lone chubby cop pepper-sprayed a few peaceful protestors and it got recorded and went viral. As I recall the memes made for one of the funniest ever mrf threads.

Nobody hurt really.

Ah those were the days.

[vision63]

Lemon Drop wrote:
Isn't that the same school where a lone chubby cop pepper-sprayed a few peaceful protestors and it got recorded and went viral. As I recall the memes made for one of the funniest ever mrf threads.

Nobody hurt really.

Ah those were the days.

That was UC Davis in NorCal. That was the first era of using Bear Spray on people. Now everybody has it. I even have some for when I go camping.

[RgrF]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
Isn't that the same school where a lone chubby cop pepper-sprayed a few peaceful protestors and it got recorded and went viral. As I recall the memes made for one of the funniest ever mrf threads.

Nobody hurt really.

Ah those were the days.

That was UC Davis in NorCal. That was the first era of using Bear Spray on people. Now everybody has it. I even have some for when I go camping.
Save mine for when I go shopping.

[sekker]

Occupying a building is called trespassing. Might be breaking and entering if they had to knock down a door to get in etc.

Sorry, but there really IS a line in our country where protests stop being about free speech and become an attempt at a spectacle to draw attention.

They could do the latter in lots of ways, like lighting fireworks etc. Nearly all such are ALSO illegal.

[Lemon Drop]

The purpose of protests IS to draw attention to your cause. If you don't make something of a spectacle there is really no point

If "trespassing" in a public building of the school you attend is your worst crime, that hardly justifies the militarized police response.

But cities have invested in that junk so they will use it. And obviously politicians want these photos to show they are tough on the local hippies.

[Ted King]

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[vision63]

The police aren't doing anything that the property owner isn't asking them to do. They're not there because they just feel like being there. They were called there.

If I'm at your house and you don't want me there, but I refuse to leave, then what? You're either going to kick me out yourself or call some authority to kick me out.

If I don't want to leave, I don't have the option to stay there if you don't want me there. If I refuse to remove myself (and with no clear right to be there), then I'm going to be removed.

However the police strap up to accomplish that task is what it is. The power to control that entire scenario lay within me.

We're in a post-protest time now. They do more harm than good. They distract from where your power is, which is at the ballot box. But they don't like the ballot box because what they want doesn't win.

What they want doesn't win because they're not interested in winning. It takes coalitions to win and unless others are 100% down with what they want they're not interested in joining forces to form a plurality.

All these protests now are just theater. We have an insane man leading half of our country to destroy the most powerful democracy in history on the brink of doing just that. They want to make sure you never vote again. You don't even control your body.

Where's that protest??? If that's not worth protesting then nothing is. We have ONE problem and a bunch of nits.

Take the presidency, the house and the senate and I don't give a shit what anybody does. They can protest until their brains fall out after that.

[Lemon Drop]

Nobody occupies my house to make a political point. That's not a good analogy for what is happening with pro-Palestinian protestors. They have every right to object to our government's policies, policies that are in some cases getting their relatives killed. I respect their right to protest.

[vision63]

Lemon Drop wrote:
Nobody occupies my house to make a political point. That's not a good analogy for what is happening with pro-Palestinian protestors. They have every right to object to our government's policies, policies that are in some cases getting their relatives killed. I respect their right to protest.

And nobody is depriving them of doing any of that, so, while it's not quite a moot point, from an enforcement perspective, it's the same thing. Exactly. It doesn't matter what the reason is why you're there. You either have a right to be there, or you don't.

If you want to continue to occupy the ground, then do it to make your point. HOWEVER, don't act like you have a right to occupy that ground when you do not. If you're bold enough to do it, then have the stones to deal with the consequences. Don't crybaby about it.

[Lemon Drop]

I don't see much crybaby going on. It's pretty brave to realize how you might be treated, and still protest anyway because you believe it's worth it.