China's EVs charge for 30% more range in 30% of the time vs Teslas...

[ztirffritz]

kj wrote:
Well most people in the US want gas cars, and that’s what they’ll get. Eventually they will insist on allowing China into our market, and we’ll make China even stronger.

Not really. I think most people just haven’t driven an EV yet. Tesla at best could supply about 5% of domestic demand with current domestic production capacity if we tried to switch entirely to EVs. GM and Ford make a tiny fraction of what Tesla make for EVs. It stands to reason that EV supply and demand will continue to chase each other until the population realizes the better solution. The media keep screaming that the sky is falling for Tesla but it’s really just the EV market taking share from ICE. I won’t be surprised if Tesla sales are down this quarter but they’re not dropping significantly. GM and Ford are still making about 2-3 weeks worth of Tesla’s production, but to their credit, they are growing EV production and sales. That means logically that Tesla’s market share is shrinking but Tesla still dwarf Ford and GM. I think VW and BMW even increased their EV sales lately.

[macphanatic]

China's electrical system is 220 v, as are many other countries. Their electrical infrastructure is much newer than ours, and they burn a ton of coal. Makes it much easier to have faster charging.

A work acquaintance was being given a company EV to drive. He couldn't charge it at home as his electrical panel was maxed out. The company spent close to $20k to upgrade his service and another $12k to install the quick charger.

FYI - The US uses 110/120 volt as we built our grid much earlier than other countries. When we did so, wiring insulation wasn't as good and could only handle 120v. By the time the rest of the world started their grids, insulation had improved enough to support 220/240v.

[ztirffritz]

I charge almost exclusively on 120v. I have 2 EVs, OK, 1.5 EVs, but the Volt is used almost exclusively on electric and we only burn gas when it forces us to. 220v charging isn't always required. Admittedly, if your job requires you to drive hundreds of miles daily, then that's going to be a problem.

[pdq]

macphanatic wrote:
China's electrical system is 220 v, as are many other countries. Their electrical infrastructure is much newer than ours, and they burn a ton of coal. Makes it much easier to have faster charging.

A work acquaintance was being given a company EV to drive. He couldn't charge it at home as his electrical panel was maxed out. The company spent close to $20k to upgrade his service and another $12k to install the quick charger.

FYI - The US uses 110/120 volt as we built our grid much earlier than other countries. When we did so, wiring insulation wasn't as good and could only handle 120v. By the time the rest of the world started their grids, insulation had improved enough to support 220/240v.

Well, first of all, our grid - that is, our system at the end of the line - is 240V center tapped. It is a simple matter to have a 240V circuit. Most houses do, and all (or almost all) houses can.

Secondly, China has installed the most utility-level solar of any country in the world - over twice as much as the US has. And that’s increasing in a near-exponential way.

Says who? Says the US Energy Information Administration.

…which is good, because they are currently the largest producer of greenhouse gases in the world. But (if you can believe them), they intend to have peaked emissions by 2030, won’t build any more coal plants outside China, and may not build any inside China after 2027. So if they keep to this, they’re more serious about this than some countries.

[mattkime]

I could definitely see people being willing to spend $40k on a car but find a $1k charger install too expensive.

[ztirffritz]

I'm always wary of any claims about insane charging speeds and new battery chemistries. I know that GM did much of the initial research on EV batteries with the EV1 and later the Volt. For the Volt, they took a VERY cautious approach to charging speed, temperature control, and battery management. They could have charged much faster, but chose not to. They could have gotten more range, but chose not to.

[special]

ztirffritz wrote:
I'm always wary of any claims about insane charging speeds and new battery chemistries. I know that GM did much of the initial research on EV batteries with the EV1 and later the Volt. For the Volt, they took a VERY cautious approach to charging speed, temperature control, and battery management. They could have charged much faster, but chose not to. They could have gotten more range, but chose not to.

Volt was a great car. I already miss mine.

[Billybob]

Just had a level 2 charger installed for under $800 total. This included a 50amp charger (returned, like new), and a local, independent electrician who charges by the hour ($300 total for labor!).

My house is less than 2yrs old, so there is plenty of capacity and the electrician was able to put in 60amp breaker (he didn't have a 50amp in his truck) to a 240v circuit. I charged the Ioniq 6 in 4 hours from 42% to 90% (claimed range of 272miles, which my wife can hit driving locally, not so much for road trips).

Cincinnati and Louisville are about 2hrs away. One of those towns will be the first road trip. Next will be St. Louis or Chicago, which are about 3.5hrs away. I have no desire to go longer.

Hyundai/Kia EVs, which soon will all be built in the USA, are doing a good job of catching and perhaps surpassing Tesla. They still trail China by a long shot, but we can't get any of those here.

[vision63]

Carnos Jax wrote:
Everything from cost of ownership, range, charging…..ignorance is what’s holding back EVs for many people.

You got half the country simply not believing in climate change. If you don't believe in climate change and all of the factors that exacerbate it, why would you care even 1% about an Electric Car? Why would they purposefully inconvenience themselves?

[Carnos Jax]

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