08-04-2009, 09:30 PM
So how will the Right "blame" Obama for this one? Hmmmmm ....
Chalk another one up for 'ol Bill Clinton!
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08-04-2009, 09:30 PM
So how will the Right "blame" Obama for this one? Hmmmmm ....
08-04-2009, 09:32 PM
cbelt3 wrote: Yep, he beat me to the predictable, juvenile punchline I came here to make. Damn you, Shakey!
08-04-2009, 09:48 PM
You know that they are scrambling over at Fox to spin this into something that will diminish what Clinton did. That crowd is more into putting down someone because of their party rather than see a fellow American be set free. Hell, for as much as I thought that Bush/Cheney were terrible in office, if they were to do something like this to free an American, I would think higher of them as well (but I am NOT holding my breath that they actually have the ability to actually so something like what Clinton did). Note that I said "higher of" not "highly of".
This the best news I have heard in some time! I am happy that they were pardoned and will (hopefully) be home soon. :patriot:
08-04-2009, 10:44 PM
If this is all on the 'up and up' as it's being made to appear (and I have no reason to believe it isn't), then it reinforces in my opinion Clinton's political abilities (something Bush didn't have).
Go back to the round of nuclear sword rattling by North Korea during the Clinton presidency, his administration exhibited keen insight into how to deal w/N. Korea. They recognized that their leaders were paranoid, and so they had to 'coddle them' into an agreement in regards to their nuclear program. It took a lot of political hand holding, etc. Then Bush came in and started making all that tough talk. N. Korea being what they are, then reversed their position (perhaps irrevocably). Bad move politically. You don't bully groups with such a mindset that N. Korea has. In the end, this is the role of the leader. To defuse situations from getting worse. Who cares what it appears to the general public?! Political leaders around the globe will always see things differently, thus ensuring the U.S. is not viewed as weak, but rather politically adept and strong.
08-04-2009, 10:46 PM
any truth to the rumor that Hilary wants Bill to be kept there?
08-05-2009, 02:26 AM
I'm glad things have worked out. And if I was one of the family members I wouldn't give a darn which former president it was or who he has fooled around with.
08-05-2009, 07:51 AM
Think about it. What kind of tool is it for a Secretary of State to have a former President at beck and call? So Clinton stays engaged and the other Democratic ex-president spends time building houses for poor people or brokering agreements between warring factions abroad.
What have any former Republican presidents done for their country after leaving office? Mr. Nixon? Mr. Ford? Mr. Reagan? Mr. Bush Senior? Mr. Bush Junior? Anything at all?? I'm listening but don't really expect a response.
08-05-2009, 01:04 PM
Rg- Bush Sr was used as an 'emissary' for a few missions. Nixon was too politically radioactive to be useful. Reagan spent time in China wining and dining. Ford showed the flag a few times.
Bush Jr could only be used as a scare tactic. Carter, of course, has had a long and storied career as a diplomat after leaving the White House- both officially and personally. Clinton is available, as noted.
08-05-2009, 01:32 PM
Bush Sr joined Clinton in several issues, I think Katrina was one.
08-05-2009, 02:32 PM
Yeah, I have gotten the feeling that Bush Sr gets along better with Clinton than he does with Bush Jr.
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