Is This Really The Best We Can Do?

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Lemon Drop wrote:
I don't see much crybaby going on. It's pretty brave to realize how you might be treated, and still protest anyway because you believe it's worth it.

They do a whole lot. What's so brave about it? They're not going into a hail of gunfire. They can stop anytime they want. They hold all the cards regarding their own circumstances. This isn't the Civil Rights Movement. They have all of their rights.

[August West]

This isn't the Civil Rights Movement.

Tell that to the latest Palestinian protestor who's family had a 2000 lb US bomb fall on them.

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August West wrote:

This isn't the Civil Rights Movement.

Tell that to the latest Palestinian protestor who's family had a 2000 lb US bomb fall on them.

I would tell them that to their faces. What are they going to do about it here? What's the plan? I bet you dollars to donuts that they also hate Democrats, but don't have anything to say about Republicans.

[August West]

What are they going to do about it here?

Protest. Don't give up. Are you suggesting they do nothing? Do you think they have a way to go back home even if they want to? Might they be stuck here?

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August West wrote:

What are they going to do about it here?

Protest. Don't give up. Are you suggesting they do nothing? Do you think they have a way to go back home even if they want to? Might they be stuck here?

What they "are" doing is helping Donald Trump. Someone who has specifically said that Biden (Genocide Joe to them) is being "insufficiently supportive of Isreal," Who has criticized Israel for releasing gory video and imagery. Who has encouraged Israel to "clean out the cancer" and that if he becomes president he'd end it quickly. Make it make sense.

[Racer X]

bfd wrote:
Just look at these faces. Police State much? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? 200 cops. 47 arrested. Disturbing the peace… This is just a bad look for a country that enshrines freedom of speech in the very first amendment to its Constitution. That right means ALL speech - whether or not it's popular or even wanted…

But literally thousands and thousands of laws limiting the 2nd A are perfectly Constitutional?

Odd. Hard to imagine that was the original intent when the Bill of Rights was passed.

[gabester]

Word, v63.

Since October 7th, I have worried that 15 million people in another part of the world, their actions and their suffering, will result in an exponential increase in suffering and harm globally, to human rights, to environmental causes, and to democratic governance.

Think carefully - what's more important? Yes, I'd like innocent people everywhere to never be killed by "military" (or, for that matter "police" / police) action. I'd much rather an incompetent kleptokakistocratic narcissist not be given the power to reshape the world in his petty transactional image. I think it's possible to have both - advocacy for the safety of Palestinians endangered by Israel's counteroffensive, AND rejection of a twice impeached criminal defendant candidate at home.

Don't let the "lesser of two evils" be the enemy of "the greater good."

[PeterB]

gabester wrote:
Word, v63.

Since October 7th, I have worried that 15 million people in another part of the world, their actions and their suffering, will result in an exponential increase in suffering and harm globally, to human rights, to environmental causes, and to democratic governance.

Think carefully - what's more important? Yes, I'd like innocent people everywhere to never be killed by "military" (or, for that matter "police" / police) action. I'd much rather an incompetent kleptokakistocratic narcissist not be given the power to reshape the world in his petty transactional image. I think it's possible to have both - advocacy for the safety of Palestinians endangered by Israel's counteroffensive, AND rejection of a twice impeached criminal defendant candidate at home.

Don't let the "lesser of two evils" be the enemy of "the greater good."

I hear some of my Gen Z's saying things like that they won't vote for Joe because of the situation in Gaza.

To me, that's like saying that because you can't have PB&J sandwiches, you're going to burn down all the peanut butter factories.

In case there was any doubt, here's what Dump had to say regarding what he'd do differently about Ukraine:



... and I shudder to think of what he might do with Gaza. Here's what he's said so far:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/...index.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...235019174/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-beau...-protests/

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PeterB wrote:
[quote=gabester]
Word, v63.

Since October 7th, I have worried that 15 million people in another part of the world, their actions and their suffering, will result in an exponential increase in suffering and harm globally, to human rights, to environmental causes, and to democratic governance.

Think carefully - what's more important? Yes, I'd like innocent people everywhere to never be killed by "military" (or, for that matter "police" / police) action. I'd much rather an incompetent kleptokakistocratic narcissist not be given the power to reshape the world in his petty transactional image. I think it's possible to have both - advocacy for the safety of Palestinians endangered by Israel's counteroffensive, AND rejection of a twice impeached criminal defendant candidate at home.

Don't let the "lesser of two evils" be the enemy of "the greater good."

I hear some of my Gen Z's saying things like that they won't vote for Joe because of the situation in Gaza.

To me, that's like saying that because you can't have PB&J sandwiches, you're going to burn down all the peanut butter factories.

In case there was any doubt, here's what Dump had to say regarding what he'd do differently about Ukraine:



... and I shudder to think of what he might do with Gaza. Here's what he's said so far:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/...index.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...235019174/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-beau...-protests/
I knew the moment I heard that Hamas fired missiles and attacked where this would all lead. Ultimately another reason to help Trump by people who could afford the bandwidth to put energy into something that's not near them. I don't mind them doing it, nobody likes death and destruction, but don't crap where you sleep in the process. But I "knew" they would. I know them.