The election is over. Why are the Dems still playing politics?

[RgrF]

[$tevie]

Mac-A-Matic : I agree that Obama's election was a seismic event. That was NOT what I was referring to. You totally misunderstood my post.

I was referring to the way everyone on the right keeps saying that there has been No Change Yet. It's been three weeks. THAT is what I was referring to as the anticipated seismic event -- that anyone would possibly think that Obama could completely overturn the way D.C. does business in 25 days or even less. Practically everyone I know voted for Obama and not one of them thought he was going to have cleaned up Dodge City by February 13th. It's the right that keeps pretending he promised us that.

[swampy]

$tevie wrote:
Mac-A-Matic : I agree that Obama's election was a seismic event. That was NOT what I was referring to. You totally misunderstood my post.

I was referring to the way everyone on the right keeps saying that there has been No Change Yet. It's been three weeks. THAT is what I was referring to as the anticipated seismic event -- that anyone would possibly think that Obama could completely overturn the way D.C. does business in 25 days or even less. Practically everyone I know voted for Obama and not one of them thought he was going to have cleaned up Dodge City by February 13th. It's the right that keeps pretending he promised us that.

The CHANGE in Washington has been seismic. The Congress just managed to move more money from the private sector to the public sector (read government) than ever in the history of our nation. One small step for the Democrats, one giant leap for Socialism.

[Blurb]

swampy wrote:
The Congress just managed to move more money from the private sector to the public sector (read government) than ever in the history of our nation.

Please explain to me how exactly Congress managed to move all that money from the private sector?? The money does not exist yet, so it has NOT been in the private sector ever. It is being printed by the government, so it is actually public money to begin with, right? Have you had any of your private funds moved by the government? I haven't.

[swampy]

Blurb... Did it ever occur that _sombody_ has to pay for all this? That the tax dollars that you and I will send to Washington to pay for this is OUR money? And WE are the private sector. Individuals, businesses are private sector. Government can print all the money they want, all it does in inflate MY dollar in MY pocket and Your dollar.

The money that I may have spent buying a new car or 50" plasma will now be going to Washington to pay for this pig in a poke. Don't whine to me when your taxes go up, okay?

[Blurb]

Swampy, in all due respect, you are blowing hot air. You are making inflated, incendiary statements that are without a factual basis. No private funds have been shifted anywhere. Our taxes have NOT gone up at this time. You have not received instruction to send that money you've got ready for that car or plasma TV to DC/IRS, have you?

How 'bout stating some facts for a change. The US Treasury/government has to be the one to "prime the pump" by in-fluxing cash into the banking system to allow the flow of further commerce. Whether we agree with the stimulus bill or not, that influx of cash has to occur. You and I will go on paying our taxes just as we have been for the past many decades. You and i likely will not even pay much of the stim bill related new debt. our children and grandchildren will, unfortunately. Too bad we don't have the same status now of our national debt that we had 9-10 years ago. It sure would come in handy right about now, wouldn't it?

[Mac-A-Matic]

$tevie wrote:
Mac-A-Matic : I agree that Obama's election was a seismic event. That was NOT what I was referring to. You totally misunderstood my post.

I was referring to the way everyone on the right keeps saying that there has been No Change Yet. It's been three weeks. THAT is what I was referring to as the anticipated seismic event -- that anyone would possibly think that Obama could completely overturn the way D.C. does business in 25 days or even less. Practically everyone I know voted for Obama and not one of them thought he was going to have cleaned up Dodge City by February 13th. It's the right that keeps pretending he promised us that.

I see what you're saying $tevie and agree with you. The monumental task of bringing change to our nation will not be a fast recovery. In fact, I think Obama won at the worst possible moment in our history.

Placing the fact that Obama is a black man aside, this is a new era where Democrats rule in a way they haven't in a generation. Control of the White House, control of Congress - the potential for change and reform should be limitless. If I've read this correctly, we're at a balance in Congress where republicans can't even stage a filibuster and the people are ready for change - this is unprecedented.

Instead, what we're observing now isn't really much of a change. We're still talking about the same politicians, with the same mindset, doing the same things that have led us to our current predicament. Look at the vote on the stimulus package: a 1000+ page document that must be voted on right away because Nancy Pelosi is going on a trip? The nation's economy is in shambles and she wants to punt a bill through Congress because she can't delay (or cancel) the trip? Receiving a medal is more important than taking the time to craft and pass a bill that will affect the people she's supposed to represent?

Add to that the fact that there simply isn't enough time to read and digest the bill and what are we seeing? Business as usual.

With this approach, change will never come to our nation.

[swampy]

Effectively Congress has nationalized the banks and you don't think that is moving the private sector to the public sector? Putting caps on people's pay isn't government intrusion into the private sector? Putting mandates on manufacturing to meet environmental thugs demands isn't an intrusion? Forcing me to eventually have to buy those mercury filled light bulbs isn't any kind of government intrusion into the light bulb business? The list goes on and on.

Typically we work five months of the year to earn what we will need to pay our taxes. FIVE months!! Does that make you happy? With this additional federal debt, I'm guessing we will all work an additional 2 months just to service the debt.

[Lux Interior]

swampy wrote:
Typically we work five months of the year to earn what we will need to pay our taxes. FIVE months!!

You need a new accountant.

And let me know when you have been forced to use CFL bulbs.

[Blurb]

FIVE months!!

And the US has one of the lowest tax rates in the world! BTW, "effectively" still means it has not happened at this time. More fear-mongering in a time great financial instability.