iFixit confirms soldered RAM in Retina Macbook Pro

[chopper]

In the last 36 hours I have decided, based on OSX 10.7 and etc, that I am done buying Apple. I have an offer for a $99 iPhone from Verizon (10 year customer) and I think I'll see what else they have for the same deal.


There's something very sinister in all of this.

[C(-)ris]

M A V I C wrote:
[quote=C(-)ris]
[quote=M A V I C]
In many PC laptops, you can even upgrade the video card. Apple is doing the exact opposite - not even letting you upgrade basic things that have long been upgradeable parts.

Then put up with a fat POS plastic blob of a computer. There is NO WAY to physically fit the ram retention parts and the slots in something that thin. Just like there isn't room for the slot and bracing to hold a replacable video card. If you don't like it, buy the old style Pro and quit complaining about the downsides of the thin form factor.
You're calling the older form factor a "fat POS plastic blob"? And come on, why is Apple trying to force people to the thinner form factor just to get things like the RD?
No, I was talking about the PCs with replaceable video cards you mentioned. Those are all "fat POS plastic blobs". Apple has never had a replaceable video card in a laptop so I'm not sure how that is even relevant to the new MBP Retina.

The people who want Retina display and also want upgradable ram is a very small percentage of people. Most people who want replacable ram will either 1. Buy the old Pro, or just get the 16GB model. I haven't seen any 32GB upgrades for the old style anyway. I'm not even sure those logic boards can support it. So if 16GB is the max of the logic board, it doesn't matter if it is replaceable.

[silvarios]

C(-)ris wrote:
1. Buy the old Pro, or just get the 16GB model. I haven't seen any 32GB upgrades for the old style anyway. I'm not even sure those logic boards can support it. So if 16GB is the max of the logic board, it doesn't matter if it is replaceable.

Paying twice the price for RAM because of a design defect/tradeoff seems silly. Apple has always made nice money off such upgrades, but you used to be able to go third party and save some money. I do get the general point. If 16GB maxes out the system, go ahead and pay the extra 10% of the total system price and future proof yourself up front. Or sacrifice the retina display, go with the normal MacBook Pro, save some cash with a base system, and then budget for upgrades on a future need basis.

[M A V I C]

C(-)ris wrote: The people who want Retina display and also want upgradable ram is a very small percentage of people. Most people who want replacable ram will either 1. Buy the old Pro, or just get the 16GB model. I haven't seen any 32GB upgrades for the old style anyway. I'm not even sure those logic boards can support it. So if 16GB is the max of the logic board, it doesn't matter if it is replaceable.

I'm going to take a guess that the number of people who want their "pro" laptop to be .24" thinner is far fewer than those who would like to be able to upgrade RAM and/or hard drives. And those who want to upgrade is probably far fewer than those who will pitch their laptop in the trash if their RAM or HD fails.

Apple is making their niche smaller and smaller. They were trying to expand and target enterprises by pointing out that the Apple display is effectively a dock. But no enterprise on the planet is going to buy MBP's that don't allow them to replace their hard drives and RAM, let alone upgrade them.

[C(-)ris]

M A V I C wrote:
[quote=C(-)ris]The people who want Retina display and also want upgradable ram is a very small percentage of people. Most people who want replacable ram will either 1. Buy the old Pro, or just get the 16GB model. I haven't seen any 32GB upgrades for the old style anyway. I'm not even sure those logic boards can support it. So if 16GB is the max of the logic board, it doesn't matter if it is replaceable.

I'm going to take a guess that the number of people who want their "pro" laptop to be .24" thinner is far fewer than those who would like to be able to upgrade RAM and/or hard drives. And those who want to upgrade is probably far fewer than those who will pitch their laptop in the trash if their RAM or HD fails.

Apple is making their niche smaller and smaller. They were trying to expand and target enterprises by pointing out that the Apple display is effectively a dock. But no enterprise on the planet is going to buy MBP's that don't allow them to replace their hard drives and RAM, let alone upgrade them.
What you are really complaining about is that the "old" MacBook Pro doesn't have the retina display. You seem to have issue with everything that defines an ultrabook/air style laptop.

[N-OS X-tasy!]

DharmaDog wrote:
I've been thinking I may have purchased my last MBP. This makes it extremely unlikely I'll get another.

I originally purchased the MBP as a desktop replacement, and it has done that job well. I wanted more mobility than my desktops. But that was pre-iPad. The iPad gives me 90% of the functionality I need while mobile and is WAY more mobile than my laptop.

I'm going back to a desktop for my next Mac. The iMacs have come a long way.

I've been thinking along very similar lines lately. I love my MBP (late 2011), but now that I own an iPad I leave the MBP home when I travel. As I also own a current- gen iMac, owning the MBP seems redundant.

The problem is, I love this MBP so much it would be hard to let it go.

[davester]

M A V I C wrote: I'm going to take a guess that the number of people who want their "pro" laptop to be .24" thinner is far fewer than those who would like to be able to upgrade RAM and/or hard drives. And those who want to upgrade is probably far fewer than those who will pitch their laptop in the trash if their RAM or HD fails.

Apple is making their niche smaller and smaller. They were trying to expand and target enterprises by pointing out that the Apple display is effectively a dock. But no enterprise on the planet is going to buy MBP's that don't allow them to replace their hard drives and RAM, let alone upgrade them.

Obviously you're right and the folks at Apple who have spent years creating an incredibly successful company based on their ability to design and market electronic devices have no idea what they're doing. Does this mean that Apple is doomed or beleaguered? I always get those two mixed up.

[M A V I C]

davester wrote:
[quote=M A V I C]I'm going to take a guess that the number of people who want their "pro" laptop to be .24" thinner is far fewer than those who would like to be able to upgrade RAM and/or hard drives. And those who want to upgrade is probably far fewer than those who will pitch their laptop in the trash if their RAM or HD fails.

Apple is making their niche smaller and smaller. They were trying to expand and target enterprises by pointing out that the Apple display is effectively a dock. But no enterprise on the planet is going to buy MBP's that don't allow them to replace their hard drives and RAM, let alone upgrade them.

Obviously you're right and the folks at Apple who have spent years creating an incredibly successful company based on their ability to design and market electronic devices have no idea what they're doing. Does this mean that Apple is doomed or beleaguered? I always get those two mixed up.
Eh, me being wrong or right has nothing to do with the success of Apple.

[silvarios]

C(-)ris wrote: What you are really complaining about is that the "old" MacBook Pro doesn't have the retina display. You seem to have issue with everything that defines an ultrabook/air style laptop.

Isn't that what many people are complaining about?

Being able to get a cheaper model now and upgrade RAM later is a nice option to have. Not all Ultrabooks strip out as many extra ports, nor do all ultrabooks prevent upgrading RAM. I really hope the non Apple manufacturers don't follow Apple's lead with increasingly non upgradeable parts. Toshiba has a 2.47lb 13" Ultrabook that has a nice selection of ports and if Toshiba kept the internals similar to the previous model, has upgradeable RAM and storage. These are good things. Yes, I do wish Apple had a slightly less drastically reduced MacBook Pro retina model.

[RAMd®d]

Geeeze, some of you people need to get over yourselves.

This is the 15" MBA so many were whining for. Now that it's here, let's all trash it. Because we are all soooo much smarter than Apple and we deserve special consideration.

"WAAAAHHHH!!! WAAAAHHHH!!!! Apple didn't consult me when they made this 'Book!! My little feelings are hurt!"

You're not special, there is no center of the universe, so you can't be it.


Apple is making their niche smaller and smaller.

And that's got to be the dumbest of the dumb statements in this thread, worthy of the AppleInsider forums. Seriously.

If one doesn't want a really thin 'Book that has a great screen, buy anything else. It's really that easy.

This time next year, more models of 'Books will have a Retina display. That'll give you more to whine about.