Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib

[SDGuy]

PeterB wrote:
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2...msg-611858

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...e_usa.html

AH-HA!!! Clearly, Barack Hussein Obama II wasn't born until June 6, 2007. Is he even old enough to be president?!!?!!! I sense another lawsuit coming...

[swampy]

will2000 wrote:
I'm with Swampy on this. There is enough suspicion that this needs to be cleared up. If he was clearly born in the US, we'll all support the new president, and in the (small) chance that it shows he was born outside the US, his election should be null and void. What does the Constitution says about such an event?
Will, like Arnold S, would need an amendment before he can run for prez.

Will, it's not only a question of being born in the US. There is the whole issue of his citizenship as an Indonesian. We have seen nothing to verify that he ever gave that up and swore an oath of allegiance to the USA at age 18 as required for US citizenship.

[NeverMind]

swampy wrote:
[quote=will2000]
I'm with Swampy on this. There is enough suspicion that this needs to be cleared up. If he was clearly born in the US, we'll all support the new president, and in the (small) chance that it shows he was born outside the US, his election should be null and void. What does the Constitution says about such an event?
Will, like Arnold S, would need an amendment before he can run for prez.

Will, it's not only a question of being born in the US. There is the whole issue of his citizenship as an Indonesian. We have seen nothing to verify that he ever gave that up and swore an oath of allegiance to the USA at age 18 as required for US citizenship.
Bush didn't do that and he royally screwed the country. Is that what you are afraid of nutcase?

[PeterB]

swampy, unfortunately (for you) and fortunately (for the rest of us)... even if he were a citizen of Indonesia (and it's questionable whether he was), this doesn't disqualify him as President, because the U.S. allows dual citizenship and would still recognize him as an American citizen. Geezo!

[JoeH]

swampy wrote:
[quote=will2000]
I'm with Swampy on this. There is enough suspicion that this needs to be cleared up. If he was clearly born in the US, we'll all support the new president, and in the (small) chance that it shows he was born outside the US, his election should be null and void. What does the Constitution says about such an event?
Will, like Arnold S, would need an amendment before he can run for prez.

Will, it's not only a question of being born in the US. There is the whole issue of his citizenship as an Indonesian. We have seen nothing to verify that he ever gave that up and swore an oath of allegiance to the USA at age 18 as required for US citizenship.
There is no such requirement. Just another assertion of yours parroting the lunatic fringe who can not even point to any such law or regulation in the US Code. Traveling on a step-parent's passport does not equal citizenship in that parent's country.

[Panopticon]

what are the odds...

6.7 BILLION inhabitants on Earth...

and TWO of the biggest dullards choose to post on this forum??? {or is it ONE schizo with multiple id's?} :wall:

[Ted King]

Swampy, your post seems to imply he somehow "lost" his US citizenship. But to show that he did, you would have to have proof that he formally renounced his citizenship. And it would have to be him that did so, his parents could not have done it.

Maybe someone with more enthusiasm than sense heard something about the following and came up with the "18 years old" thing:

http://www.vkblaw.com/law/renunciation.htm

(quote)

Parents cannot renounce United States citizenship on behalf of their children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5), persons under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that they fully understand the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and are voluntarily seeking to renounce their citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age fourteen under which a child's understanding must be established by substantial evidence.

Under Section 351(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1483(b)], a person who renounced U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen years and "who within six months after attaining the age of eighteen years asserts his claim to United States nationality in such manner as the Secretary of State shall by regulation prescribe, shall not be deemed to have expatriated himself...." The relevant regulation is Section 50.20(b) of Title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations which requires that the person take an oath of allegiance to the United States before a diplomatic or consular officer in order to retain U.S. citizenship.

(unquote)

Clearly Obama would have had to have renounced his citizenship before he was 18 for the latter provision to have any bearing, but no one has provided any evidence that he did so, so the point is moot.

[freeradical]

This is what the State Department says about dual nationality.

[Black Landlord]

What day is this ad supposed to appear?
The .pdf does not resemble a press release as far as I can see-- no real info.

[swampy]

I have had two PMs from participants on this forum advising me that BHO's birth certificate as presented on the Obama home page and Factchek are valid.

To clarify. Obama has proffered a copy of "Certification of Live Birth" as evidence of his 'natural born" status (often referred to as a 'short form'). This type of certificate is often issued in cases where a child is born outside the hospital (usually home birth) and can be obtained by either parent for up to a year after birth. It does not have witnessing signatures and other vitals such as physical location of birth (hospital name).

The suits are asking for a copy of his 'long form' "Certificate of Live Birth" which is the paperwork usually done by the hospital and generally called the "vault copy". It does contain the name of the birthing hospital, parental signature, doctor's signature and a witness signature along with other information.