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LEXUS (let us) entertain you?!.....more troubles for Toyota as the Lexus GX460 is......
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...deemed unsafe (a rare 'don't buy) by Consumer Reports.....


Consumer Reports calls Lexus GX460 unsafe

....Consumer Reports has given the Lexus GX460 a rare "Don't Buy" warning, saying a problem that occurred during routine handling tests could lead the SUV to roll over in real-world driving.

In the latest blow to Toyota's reputation, the magazine said that during a test of the vehicle's performance during unusual turns, the rear of the vehicle slid until it was nearly sideways before the electronic stability control system kicked in.

Consumer Reports said in real-world driving, such a scenario could cause a rollover accident. As a result, the magazine has given the seven-seat SUV a "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" label until the problem is fixed.


"In a real world situation, by that time, the car can hit the curb or the side of the road and that's the situation where, in a vehicle like that, it could cause it to roll over," said Gabriel Shenhar, senior auto test engineer at Consumer Reports, who was one of four testers to experience the problem.

Consumer Reports said the last vehicle to receive such a warning was the 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Limited. It said among the 95 SUVs in its current ratings, no other slid as far as the GX460.

Starting at about $52,000, the GX460 is a small-volume vehicle for Lexus, Toyota Motor Corp.'s luxury brand. But the warning represents yet another blow for Toyota's tarnished reputation for safety following recalls of millions of vehicles for faulty gas pedals. The GX460 is not covered by the pedal recalls.

Consumer Reports said the problem occurred during a handling test on its test track. During the test, the driver approaches a turn unusually fast, then releases the accelerator pedal to simulate a typical driver's response. This causes the rear of the vehicle to slide.

In normal cases, the vehicle's electronic stability control should quickly correct the loss of control. But Shenhar said in the case of the GX460, the stability control took too long to adjust, causing a risk of rolling over.

However, Consumer Reports said it is not aware of any reports of the vehicle rolling over. The magazine said it tested two separate vehicles, both of which experienced the problem, but neither rolled over.....



SAFETY....last.....???
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#2
Consumer Reports bias against American vehicles rearing it's ugly head again. Why people put up with those haters again I really don't know.


er, wait a minute…
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#3
How about suggesting the driver just not perform this maneuver instead?
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The big question is why isn't the ESC kicking in and preventing the slide, since that is exactly what it is supposed to do here.

I also wouldn't think releasing the accelerator could cause the rear to slide, so I don't understand that at all: I would think you would have to hit the brakes to get the rear to come around. That is at least how it has always been for me, and is one of the main safety problems of front wheel drive. They must be cornering so fast that it is sliding, even without the brake or the accelerator on, something I have never felt (since I would always have braked, if I was cornering too fast).
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Man I'm surprised any of us were ever able to drive anything 10 years ago, no ESC. I saw the
video it skidded sideways in curve that was way to fast 85% of the vehicles on the road and it
didn't turnover so what's the big frackin' deal?
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I thought saying an SUV is prone to rollovers is like saying the sky is blue and water is wet. :dunno:
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michaelb wrote:
The big question is why isn't the ESC kicking in and preventing the slide, since that is exactly what it is supposed to do here.

I also wouldn't think releasing the accelerator could cause the rear to slide, so I don't understand that at all: I would think you would have to hit the brakes to get the rear to come around. That is at least how it has always been for me, and is one of the main safety problems of front wheel drive. They must be cornering so fast that it is sliding, even without the brake or the accelerator on, something I have never felt (since I would always have braked, if I was cornering too fast).

The GX460 is Full-time 4WD, so depending on how they have set up the front-rear differential it might act more like a rear wheel drive under some circumstances. I could expect the rear to come around if you let off of the accelerator at the wrong point, as the weight transfer to the rear would end and put less on the rear tires and reducing traction. Hitting the brakes would just accentuate that action. I wonder if it would do the same with a couple of rear seat passengers or a few hundred pounds of cargo in back.
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Grateful11 wrote:
Man I'm surprised any of us were ever able to drive anything 10 years ago, no ESC. I saw the
video it skidded sideways in curve that was way to fast 85% of the vehicles on the road and it
didn't turnover so what's the big frackin' deal?

Seriously. Maybe Consumer Reports should issue a "run" warning from anyone who is driving an old car. Learn how to drive people.
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