Chipotle finding innovative ways to keep costs down in tough economy

[Black]

Not referring to [sic] grilling the workers . . .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110504/bs_nm/us_chipotle

[Grace62]

Nice shift away from the Bush era policy of work-place raids - hauling the immigrant workers off to jail and ignoring the people who hired them and profited from their labor. Go after the employers, it's a far more effective and efficient way to reduce the number of illegals working in our country.

[rjmacs]

Grace62 wrote:
Nice shift away from the Bush era policy of work-place raids - hauling the immigrant workers off to jail and ignoring the people who hired them and profited from their labor. Go after the employers, it's a far more effective and efficient way to reduce the number of illegals working in our country.

I realize that i'm stepping into a quagmire i may well regret, but there are many solid economic and political reasons that going after employers doesn't work either. And as someone who has worked around this issue for a while, i'll say my general spiel about terminology. "Illegals" is not a great term to use to describe unauthorized immigrants, because legal status is not established de facto by being here without papers. Immigration status can only be determined by a judge, and even if someone is determined to be "out of status," that is to say not authorized to be here, this is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Everyone gets due process and their chance to plead their case for why they should be allowed to be here. Describing people as "illegal" carries a connotation of criminality, which is inaccurate. "Undocumented" or "unauthorized" are better, more appropriate terms.

[Grace62]

I think that aggressive I9 enforcement with serious penalties for law-breaking employers is the way to go. In the past the fines were considered a joke by employers, who were rarely fined anyway, and they just added that to the cost of doing business. This new policy goes after not only their business but their personal assets too. It's serious business.

Undocumented workers are exploited in our country, and their employers are skirting a lot of laws and are essentially the core of the undocumented worker issue.

I don't want to see poor working people hassled, and I favor guest worker programs, the Dream act, and other laws to clear the path for people to live and work in the United States in accordance with our laws.

[Mike Sellers]

They'll also load your burrito up with way too much rice if you don't watch them.

[haikuman]

Just about everyone on this forum and throughout the USA came from somewhere else or their Parents and Grand Parents did... I think we need to be a little more open minded when discussing immigrants and foreign workers. *(:>*

Rudie

[OWC Jamie]

haikuman wrote:
Just about everyone on this forum and throughout the USA came from somewhere else or their Parents and Grand Parents did... I think we need to be a little more open minded when discussing immigrants and foreign workers. *(:>*

Rudie

some even snuck in illegally ...

[Grace62]

haikuman wrote:
Just about everyone on this forum and throughout the USA came from somewhere else or their Parents and Grand Parents did... I think we need to be a little more open minded when discussing immigrants and foreign workers. *(:>*

Rudie

feel free to share your policy ideas - who do you think is being close-minded? and doesn't care about exploited workers? I do, I've been involved with this for a while, care to share your own experiences, knowledge, and opinions?

[haikuman]

"""I don't want to see poor working people hassled, and I favor guest worker programs, the Dream act, and other laws to clear the path for people to live and work in the United States in accordance with our laws."""

That sounds like you are speaking with a forked tongue....? And both sides of your mouth

There is little doubt that employers on both sides of the border exploit these people.

Perhaps you may want to consider this land has already been taken from its rightful owners/inhabitants on more than on occasion. I think it is a little late to fawn and distinguish ones self with the rules. Perhaps we should distinguish ourselves with a broad acceptance of what we have done and return more of their lands to them other than deserts, industrial slavery, including dispensing with the attitude we are doing these native inhabitants a favor. This issue is much deeper than the self-rightous superiority and greed of aggressive European immigrants.

The Europeans stole North America,ie; Canada, USA and Mexico from these people.
Just the tip of the iceberg Grace. *(:>*


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_North_America

[Grace62]

haikuman wrote:
"""I don't want to see poor working people hassled, and I favor guest worker programs, the Dream act, and other laws to clear the path for people to live and work in the United States in accordance with our laws."""

That sounds like you are speaking with a forked tongue....? And both sides of your mouth

There is little doubt that employers on both sides of the border exploit these people.

Perhaps you may want to consider this land has already been taken from its rightful owners/inhabitants on more than on occasion. I think it is a little late to fawn and distinguish ones self with the rules. Perhaps we should distinguish ourselves with a broad acceptance of what we have done and return more of their lands to them other than deserts, industrial slavery, including dispensing with the attitude we are doing these native inhabitants a favor. This issue is much deeper than the self-rightous superiority and greed of aggressive European immigrants.

The Europeans stole North America,ie; Canada, USA and Mexico from these people.
Just the tip of the iceberg Grace. *(:>*


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_North_America

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Thanks for the lecture. Got any policy ideas?