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Four slugs, right before the Chauvin verdict. Wonder if he thought he had his Taser out? Couldn't have shot her in the leg, fired in the air first, anything but fatal shots? Did he have to shoot at all? Could he have used a Taser? Could he have talked her out of the knife with his mouth instead of a weapon? How can cops bring in armed, mass shooting killers unharmed but not this girl?
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/20/989342784...-family-sa
A 16-year-old Black girl was fatally shot by an officer outside her home after she called the police for help on Tuesday afternoon, according to her family.
The girl has been identified as Ma'Khia Bryant by her aunt, Hazel Bryant.
Bryant allegedly called officers at about 4:30 p.m. local time when a group of "older kids" threatened her with assault, her aunt told Ohio Statehouse News Bureau reporter Andy Chow. She did not elaborate on the nature of the threat.
The Columbus Police Department could not say on Tuesday whether Bryant was the one to call for assistance before she was shot.
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SteveO wrote: Couldn't have shot her in the leg, fired in the air first, anything but fatal shots?
Shoot to wound/disarm is a TV/movie trope.
Aim center mass & shoot to kill. Otherwise, don't shoot.
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Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=SteveO]Couldn't have shot her in the leg, fired in the air first, anything but fatal shots?
Shoot to wound/disarm is a TV/movie trope.
Aim center mass & shoot to kill. Otherwise, don't shoot.
Nonsense. There's a time for lethal force, and that time is VERY rare compared to how often it's used by present day police. My town's police hadn't discharged a firearm in over a decade, but a recent incident resulted in an officer shooting someone... in the leg. TWICE. AFTER he was fired upon.
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gabester wrote:
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[quote=SteveO]Couldn't have shot her in the leg, fired in the air first, anything but fatal shots?
Shoot to wound/disarm is a TV/movie trope.
Aim center mass & shoot to kill. Otherwise, don't shoot.
Nonsense. There's a time for lethal force, and that time is VERY rare compared to how often it's used by present day police. My town's police hadn't discharged a firearm in over a decade, but a recent incident resulted in an officer shooting someone... in the leg. TWICE. AFTER he was fired upon.
It's training. Current Occupying Force Police training is 'shoot to kill if you FEEL threatened'.
Smaller towns don't train like that.
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...On June 10, 1983, Buck arrived at the house Tracey was staying at and demanded to see her. Tracey remained inside and contacted the police. Fifteen minutes later, with no officer in sight, Tracey exited the house to speak to Buck. Twenty five minutes after Tracey's call a single officer arrived. The officer sat in his car while Buck chased Tracey, grabbed her by the hair and stabbed her over twenty times.
The officer eventually exited the car and took the knife from Buck, but he made no effort to arrest him. While the officer watched, Buck kicked Tracey in the head several times, breaking her neck. Buck then ran into the house, grabbed Charles Jr. and brought him outside. Buck dropped Charles Jr. on Tracey's limp body and once again kicked her in the head.
Roughly forty minutes after the police arrived, Tracey was loaded into an ambulance. Buck threatened Tracey one more time and was finally arrested.
Buck was convicted of assault and sentenced to 20 years, but served less than eight years in prison.
Tracey Thurman spent eight months in the hospital. She is partially paralyzed to this day.
Officer was not threatened. Someone else's life was.
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gabester wrote:
Nonsense. There's a time for lethal force, and that time is VERY rare compared to how often it's used by present day police. My town's police hadn't discharged a firearm in over a decade, but a recent incident resulted in an officer shooting someone... in the leg. TWICE. AFTER he was fired upon.
My point has nothing to do with the appropriateness of the level of force used. My point was that once the decision is made to shoot, it is shoot to kill.
Whether or not that was the correct/appropriate decision I have no opinion on at this point.
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CW2V wrote:
...On June 10, 1983, Buck arrived at the house Tracey was staying at and demanded to see her. Tracey remained inside and contacted the police. Fifteen minutes later, with no officer in sight, Tracey exited the h....
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I am not certain what point you hope to make, but the tragic story you shared is typical of how police handled domestic violence against women and children until fairly recently. Tracey was lucky the officer came over at all.
While in this case the officer was obviously completely ineffective, that does not mean that jumping in with no thought or assessment is best. Police need to slow down and de-escalate situations. Too frequently THEY are the ones who introduce violence and urgency into situations, with sometimes tragic results.
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Lemon Drop wrote:
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...On June 10, 1983, Buck arrived at the house Tracey was staying at and demanded to see her. Tracey remained inside and contacted the police. Fifteen minutes later, with no officer in sight, Tracey exited the h....
CW2V
I am not certain what point you hope to make, but the tragic story you shared is typical of how police handled domestic violence against women and children until fairly recently. Tracey was lucky the officer came over at all.
While in this case the officer was obviously completely ineffective, that does not mean that jumping in with no thought or assessment is best. Police need to slow down and de-escalate situations. Too frequently THEY are the ones who introduce violence and urgency into situations, with sometimes tragic results.
The point was that the officer saw the young woman with a knife attacking another. It only takes a second for a knife to end a life in the right spot. The officer had a spit second to make a decision. He was not in danger. Another was. If he "Shot for the legs or in the air" a knife in the neck could've been the next thing to happen. Then what? There's too much gray here.
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CW2V wrote:
The point was that the officer saw the young woman with a knife attacking another. It only takes a second for a knife to end a life in the right spot. The officer had a spit second to make a decision. He was not in danger. Another was. If he "Shot for the legs or in the air" a knife in the neck could've been the next thing to happen. Then what? There's too much gray here.
CW2V
I tend to agree here. i just watched the video. There was no time to slow down and deescalate. Another girl was a split second from a knife landing somewhere on her body.
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CW2V wrote:
... If he "Shot for the legs or in the air" a knife in the neck could've been the next thing to happen. Then what? There's too much gray here.
CW2V
The what-if game might be fun to play but the girl remains dead. Do us a favor and don’t always seek absolute answers to situations you don’t know about.
On the other hand, she held them off pretty well until the cops showed up. And if she’s the one who called them there it only speaks to their inability to pause for a second and try something-anything else, for the benefit of learning who the aggressors were.
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