When is the U.S. led EU/NATO coalition gonna get involved in kicking Ruskie booty outa Ukraine?

[Buzz]

I'm starting to think sooner than later....
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[steve...]

I think it will only happen if Russia invades or moves the fighting into a NATO country and that could mean WWIII.

[hal]

No one wants WW III, but I don't think the west wants to allow Ukraine to fall either. A consensus may be hard to come by, but I suspect that we would need some more evidence that Ru is able to win this thing before we would feel the need to step in. Ruskies might lose without any intervention.

No way will the US enter alone. So far, Biden's 'it's all of us against YOU' tactics are looking effective.

[Carnos Jax]

NATO nor the U.S. will have to get involved. At this point Putin is a dead man walking. He has overplayed his hand. There is no outcome from here that allows Putin to remain alive or in power. Because without NATO/US getting involved, the sanctions are developing more teeth by the day, the logical outcome of which is Russia, which is teetering on the brink of economic failure, will fall into the abyss all together. Once that happens, Putin is gone, dead or alive.

[mattkime]

About the time both parties and the american people are able to stomach the cost of war. I'd be happy to see us do our share combat wise but it feeds in the narrative of "US vs Russia" whereas Putin is currently losing the narrative battle.

[Tiangou]

Carnos Jax wrote:
NATO nor the U.S. will have to get involved. At this point Putin is a dead man walking. He has overplayed his hand. There is no outcome from here that allows Putin to remain alive or in power...

...Except if he does. Both.

[Carnos Jax]

The only way things go south from here is if Putin has such direct control over enough nuclear ICBM's that he launches a first strike against the U.S. on his own, because he is a mad man and can't accept that he has to back down.

I'm pretty sure the U.S. and NATO are tracking every ICBM and nuke in Russia right now, ready to neutralize them in an instant if necessary. Hopefully there are sane minds in Russia's military doing the same.

[Carnos Jax]

Tiangou wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
NATO nor the U.S. will have to get involved. At this point Putin is a dead man walking. He has overplayed his hand. There is no outcome from here that allows Putin to remain alive or in power...

...Except if he does. Both.
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Are you saying he can remain both alive and in power? If so, how is that possible without him pulling out of Ukraine?

[Racer X]

Poland just gave a bunch of MiG-29s to the Ukraine. The Ukrainian pilots are picking them up now.

[Tiangou]

Carnos Jax wrote:
[quote=Tiangou]
[quote=Carnos Jax]
NATO nor the U.S. will have to get involved. At this point Putin is a dead man walking. He has overplayed his hand. There is no outcome from here that allows Putin to remain alive or in power...

...Except if he does. Both.
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Are you saying he can remain both alive and in power? If so, how is that possible without him pulling out of Ukraine?
Russia can survive sanctions.

Russia's banks are barely bothered by the international boycott. The ruble is still trading on currency exchanges. India and China are happy to do business with them.

Russian citizens don't need Mastercard. Or Disney+.

People adapt.

All Putin has to do is steadily keep up his assault on Ukraine and wait until the news cycle turns. Then he'll have Ukraine with barely a headline and few protests.

And when winter comes, Europe will be begging him for natural gas. All but the most meaningless of sanctions lifted before he'll come to the table.

That's the scenario he's angling for.

Who on our side is willing to escalate, to derail that plan?