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Personal saving, investing, retirement planning (long)
#1
How much, as a percentage, is the right amount?

It seems there are many opinions on this. I read a lot of personal finance/investing blogs and have learned a lot, but the one question that varies widely is how much.

And furthermore, the most frequent advice is to max out the 401(k). Then Max out an IRA (roth or traditional), then maybe index funds. So what about generic savings? How much should go in there?

And how many people really make enough money to max out their 401(k), their IRA, invest in other instruments, and contribute significantly to monthly savings?

Our HHI easily puts us in the top 5%, but we don't have near enough money to max all these things out and contribute to a generic savings account and still put food on the table, shirts on our backs keep the lights on.

Are we spending too much? Probably, but we try not to. We shop smartly at Costco, only buy name brand clothes or accessories as special treats (birthday, anniversary, etc.), limit ourselves to eating out once per week, use coupons, use cash back cards, we only have one car payment and it's not for an extravagant vehicle, I work from home so little gas is burnt by me, my broadband, landline and some of my cell bill are paid for by my employer, in the winter the thermostat is set low and in the summer it is set high, we try not to frequently turn on the A/C or heat, we rarely take vacations, and we always try to find the best deal on whatever it is we need to buy.

We have no credit card debt. Only have one car payment and my wife's student loan. Of course we do have 2 kids in daycare which is a huge expense. But I wonder how other people, that are not as fortunate as we are, do it.

So are people really maxing out their retirement and savings, or are these just best case scenario statements?

My wife and I do contribute to our 401(k)s, but do not come close to maxing them out. Since we are not maxing them out, we also do not have IRAs, but we do contribute significantly each month to an online savings account.

Am I alone here?
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#2
Two kids in daycare is pretty tough. I did it for awhile so I know your pain. I commented on it during lunch with a co-worker and made the mistake of namin the pricetag. My coworker's eyes got real big and he exclaimed, "that's more than I make in a month!" Oops.

My point being that once the kids are out of daycare your ability to save will go way up unless you opt for private schools like we did.

Dave
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#3
[quote davemchine]Two kids in daycare is pretty tough. I did it for awhile so I know your pain. I commented on it during lunch with a co-worker and made the mistake of namin the pricetag. My coworker's eyes got real big and he exclaimed, "that's more than I make in a month!" Oops.

My point being that once the kids are out of daycare your ability to save will go way up unless you opt for private schools like we did.

Dave
This is more than likely going to happen.
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#4
you are NOT alone. I am not sure if I am in the 5% like you, probably not, since we have only one income, and we have only one kid, and just like you, I feel I don't save enough. I do max out the 401(k), then I put 4k into a Roth IRA, and then there is a little left for investment/savings, but not enough IMHO. I have not started a 529 for our son yet, I need to do that ASAP. They say I should put 700 bucks per month into the 529, then we will have to cut back on the other savings. I am also trying to put together some cash for a down-payment on a house, meanwhile prices keep going up. I do not have any debt, my undergraduate studies were free in my home country, and when I came to the US as a graduate student, I always has a Research or Teaching Assistantship, or a Fellowship, therefore I did not have to pay tuition out of my pocket.

yeah life is tough, I am sometimes considering going back to Europe where school is free and healthcare affordable. Taxes are higher, indeed, but so is the Euro these days, and at lest I see what was done with my taxpayer Euros: schools, hospitals, not wars. but now that belong in the Political forum. So I stop here.
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#5
pay yourself first. Kids can get their own loans or the world needs ditchdiggers, too.

But, live below your means. Find cheaper housing, food, transportation, etc.

Get a financial advisor and tax guy (two different people).
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#6
[quote Jp!]pay yourself first. Kids can get their own loans or the world needs ditchdiggers, too.
I beg to differ. I believe that a kid needs to have a fair chance in life. I would not pay to send a kid with IQ of 100 to Harvard, however, if the kid has potential, i.e. smart, eager to learn, etc. then as a parent, I feel obliged to help him/her get a better education.
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#7
Differ all you want. The most successful kids I saw were those that worked hard to get in, stay in, graduate, and get a job. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them paying for what they get (an education).
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#8
Hard work is certainly the most important key to success but opportunity plays a role as well. When people look for jobs the phrase, "it's not what you know, it's who you know" is frequently heard.

As a parent I put a lot of emphasis on performance at school, provide rewards, and I will do my best to make sure my daughters have opportunity. After that it is up to them!

Balancing retirement planning and your kids educational needs is a tough task. I used to contribute to a roth ira which could be used for educational needs at any time or could be simply used as a retirement fund if never needed. I felt this allowed me some flexibility in case my kids decided not to attend college. With the 529 I believe you take a hit in getting that money back.

Dave
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#9
[quote space-time][quote Jp!]pay yourself first. Kids can get their own loans or the world needs ditchdiggers, too.
I beg to differ. I believe that a kid needs to have a fair chance in life. I would not pay to send a kid with IQ of 100 to Harvard, however, if the kid has potential, i.e. smart, eager to learn, etc. then as a parent, I feel obliged to help him/her get a better education.
And you've used the key word, which is help. I'm from a different generation, but we did see to it that our son had a college education, and I would do it again. In our case, we had some guidelines and limits, but he got his education without having to start his working life thousands and thousands of dollars in debt. There is definitely a middle ground between Jp!'s position and the other extreme, where parents live in poverty in order to give their children more than what they'll appreciate or need. It wasn't always easy, but we ultimately managed to accomplish everything. We certainly didn't retire as multimillionaires, but that's OK, too. I can't conceive of being selfish enough to forego helping my child so that I could have a life of luxury. Parents certainly didn't help me or my husband get a college education, so maybe that's part of the difference in our view; we did want to be able to give something that we didn't get.
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#10
I currently put 10% into my 401K, 5% into cash savings, and an extra 20% of my monthly mortgage towards an extra principal payment on my home. I have no credit card debt, and no car loan for the past year and a half. I've been living as frugally as I can in order to triple pay my student loans, which I'll finally be free of in 2-3 months. I started saving late, like at 30, and I'm nowhere near the top 5%, but I think my level of savings is reasonably about where it should be, but, even if it isn't, I just can't scrimp any more without having zero life.
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