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NYC and Hurricane "Kyle"
#1
With all of the hurricane posts and watches here over the years, is no one watching and worrying about the possibility of a hurricane developing and hitting NYC, LI, or NE this weekend? It is still speculative and a long way out, but the alerts are starting to go out:

http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=apple&traveler=0&article=5

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropic...om=hp_news

Not predicted to be anything like the devastating hurricane of 38, but the NE is vastly more populated. I saw a show recently on a hurricane hitting NYC and even a Cat 1 flooded portions of the city with a storm surge and a Cat 3 put lots of Manhattan under water (and there is no plan or no possible to evacuate cities in the East).

I was planning on taking my daughter camping this weekend here in Vt, and we may miss this but I have been watching the weather lately. Just something to think about.
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#2
Yeah, I've been watching that one. I just thought it was too early (or maybe it's better to say too difficult) to tell what it is going to do.

All the models are predicting a storm that heads north. But they all depend on this thing first becoming a tropical depression. The reason is that until the storm becomes organized, and hence have a large vertical structure, it's path is going to be affected by low level weather patterns.

You have to remember that at low levels (in terms of altitude), a hurricane is a low pressure center. At it's highest levels, it's a high pressure center (all that air that gets sucked in by the low level center has to go somewhere).

In this particular system's case, there's an upper level low pressure center off to the north that would attract the high altitude high pressure center of the storm. But until it forms one (which will occur once it becomes a tropical depression/storm/hurricane) that won't happen. As a result, it's been moving slowly west. The danger if if it doesn't get it's act together, it may end up in the Gulf.
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#3
Skeetobyte has most predictions headed well east of LI
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#4
Yes, (I think) that's because the models assume it to be an organized tropical system first. The more it delays, the greater the chance it'll make a U.S. landfall. Conditions are such that it could get itself together at any time. And once it does, that's when it'll head north.
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#5
Let's hope that it's nothing more than a tropical storm. The hurricane models that I've seen for the NYC Metro get ugly for a Cat 3 and above. Such a scenario could make Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina pale in comparison.
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#6
There is little possibility that such a scenario could pan out - the Gulf is a huge body of hot (90 degree) water. The north Atlantic is nowhere near as hospitable to strengthening of a hurricane.
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#7
I'm waiting until the last minute to hoard gas and buy too much bread and milk.
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#8
Possibility is not so little, as it's happened before.

From http://www.ccsr.columbia.edu/information/hurricanes/

Hurricanes, Sea Level Rise, and New York City

With a population of over 8 million people, many billions of dollars in property at stake, and hundreds of miles of shoreline, New York City is particularly vulnerable to the threat of severe hurricanes. In spite of its mid-latitude location (~41°N), New York City and the surrounding region have experienced numerous hurricanes, some of which have produced serious damage and loss of life. Future rising sea levels associated with global warming are another cause for concern. Not only would the city be threatened by higher floods associated with hurricanes and other coastal storms, but the interval between floods of a given elevation could drop sharply.

Major Hurricanes of the Past

The only hurricane whose eye hit what is now New York City directly occurred on September 3, 1821, making landfall at Jamaica Bay. Moving northward rapidly, the storm (rated a Category 4 on the Saffir-Simpson scale) produced a storm surge of 13 feet in only one hour, causing widespread flooding of lower Manhattan as far north as Canal Street. However, the storm caused few deaths because the population density was rather low at the time.


Figure 1: Storm surge from the 1938 hurricane at the Battery, New York City (Source: NWS Historic Collection).

In late August, 1893, a powerful hurricane (estimated as a strong Category 1) wiped out Hog Island, a small resort island off Rockaway Beach. The 'Long Island Express' or 'Great Hurricane of 1938' (Category 3) slammed across central Long Island and ripped into southern New England on September 21, 1938, killing nearly 700 people and injuring thousands more (Figure 1). The storm, striking with little advance warning (this in the days long before weather satellites), raised a wall of water 25 to 35 feet high, sweeping away protective barrier dunes and buildings. Because of the tremendous population growth and development that have occurred since then, damages from such a storm today would be enormous.

On September 12, 1960, Hurricane Donna (Category 3) pounded New York City with winds gusting up to 90 miles per hour, dumped five inches of rain, and flooded lower Manhattan almost to waist level on West and Cortlandt Streets (at the southwest corner of what later became the site of the World Trade Center). The water level at the Battery tide gauge (in lower Manhattan) registered 8.4 feet above mean sea level. Normal travel was disrupted as airports sharply curtailed service, subways shut down, and highways closed due to flooding.

On December 11, 1992, a winter storm pummeled New York City with hurricane-force wind gusts of up to 90 miles per hour, causing tidewaters to rise 7.7 feet above normal. The nor'easter crippled transportation, business, and schools, produced numerous power failures, and flooded wide areas.

The New York metropolitan transportation system is particularly vulnerable to disruption by major storms even at present, since most area rail and tunnel points of entry as well as the three major airports lie at elevations of 10 feet or less. This elevation represents a critical threshold. Flood levels of only 1 to 2 feet above those of Hurricane Donna or the December 1992 nor'easter could have resulted in massive inundation and even loss of life.

Figure 2: Hurricane Floyd sweeping across the mid-Atlantic states, Sept. 14-18, 1999, causing widespread flooding and damage. (Source: NOAA/National Climate Data Center)

Hurricane Floyd (Category 2) was the most recent hurricane to hit New York City (Figure 2). With sustained winds of 60 mph, Floyd dumped 10-15 inches on upstate New Jersey and New York over a 24-hour period in September 1999, causing extensive inland flooding. However, because the hurricane struck at low tide and was already beginning to dissipate as it made landfall on the Long Island shoreline, it did not produce a significant storm surge.

New York City at Risk

Because of the unique configuration of the shoreline, New York City is especially vulnerable to major hurricanes that travel northward along a track slightly to the west of the city. Since the highest, hence most destructive, winds lie to the right of the eye of a hurricane, a storm moving on such a path would pass directly over the city. Furthermore, the counterclockwise, westerly flowing winds of the approaching hurricane funnel surge waters toward the near right-angle bend between the New Jersey and Long Island coasts into the apex, i.e., the New York City harbor.

Surge levels for hurricanes of Categories 1-4 have been calculated by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for the 1995 Metro New York Hurricane Transportation Study using NOAA's SLOSH model. A Category 3 hurricane on a worst-case track could create a surge of up to 25 feet at JFK Airport, 21 feet at the Lincoln Tunnel entrance, 24 feet at the Battery, and 16 feet at La Guardia Airport. These figures do not include the effects of tides nor the additional heights of waves on top of the surge. Surge levels for a Category 4 hurricane would be even higher, reaching 31 feet at JFK Airport and Lincoln Tunnel, 29 feet at the Battery, and 21 feet at La Guardia. Although a Category 4 hurricane at the latitude of New York City is extremely improbable at present due to the relatively cold water offshore, some studies suggest that hurricane strengths will intensify as oceans become warmer. Therefore, in the future, a Category 4 hurricane, while still remaining a very rare event, might potentially survive into these latitudes. With several feet of sea level rise, the results could be catastrophic.

A Taste of Things to Come?

How would continuing sea level rise related to global warming affect New York City? A 2001 study by Columbia University scientists for the U.S. Global Change Research Program examined a number of impacts of climate change on the New York City metropolitan area, including sea level rise. Regional sea level trends of the past century range between 0.08 to 0.16 in/yr (2 to 4 mm/yr). From a suite of sea level rise scenarios based on an extrapolation of historical trends and outputs from several global climate model simulations, the researchers projected a rise in sea level of 11.8 to 37.5 inches (30 to 95.5 cm) in New York City and 9.5 to 42.5 inches (24 to 108 cm) in the metropolitan region by the 2080s. Flooding by major storms would inundate many low-lying neighborhoods and shut down the metropolitan transportation system with much greater frequency. The 2001 study suggested that by the 2080s the flood levels of today's 100-year storm (including both hurricanes and powerful nor'easters) would be more likely to recur, on average, as often as once in 60 to once in every 4 years.

From a report that was referenced in a presentation I attended:

According to the 1995 Metro New York Hurricane Transportation Study, a category three hurricane on a worst-case track could create a surge of up to 25 feet at JFK Airport, 21 feet at the Lincoln Tunnel entrance, 24 feet at the Battery, and 16 feet at La Guardia Airport. These figures do not include the effects of tides or the additional heights of waves on top of the surge.

From http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/38hu...uture.html

According to the United States Landfalling Hurricane Probability Project:

* 23% probability that NY City/Long Island will be hit with a tropical storm or hurricane in 2008. Normal value is 15%.
* 14% probability that NY City/Long Island will be hit with a hurricane in 2008. Normal value is 9%.
* 7% probability that NY City/Long Island will be hit with a major hurricane (category 3 or more) in 2008. Normal value is 4%.

* >99.9% probability that NY City/Long Island will be hit with a tropical storm or hurricane in the next 50 years.
* 99.4% probability that NY City/Long Island will be hit with a hurricane in the next 50 years.
* 90% probability that NY City/Long Island will be hit with a major hurricane (category 3 or more) in the next 50 years.
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#9
michaelb wrote:


Not predicted to be anything like the devastating hurricane of 38, but the NE is vastly more populated. I saw a show recently on a hurricane hitting NYC and even a Cat 1 flooded portions of the city with a storm surge and a Cat 3 put lots of Manhattan under water (and there is no plan or no possible to evacuate cities in the East).

Boston and many other eastern seaboard cities most certainly do have hurricane and emergency evacuation plans and routes marked with those familiar little blue and white signs.
michaelb wrote:
I was planning on taking my daughter camping this weekend here in Vt, and we may miss this but I have been watching the weather lately. Just something to think about.

There's weather from a coastal storm this weekend, whether the tropical storm becomes a part of it or not. May or may not affect weather inland.



They didn't do too well forecasting the weather two weekends ago. Occaisional showers aren't supposed to amount to two inch accumulations. :-)
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#10
Hi everyone,

I live on Long Island and hurricane/Nor'easter/major storms are nothing new around here. The news channels will all talk about it and create hysteria. In turn, everyone will run to the grocery store and stock up on items such as milk. As the storm hits, the news crews will head towards places like Sea Bright, NJ, where there are homes by the shore, that will suffer damage as a result of it. In the end, regardless of how good or bad the storm is, life will go back to normal in a day or two.

We do not have the luxury of being on the mainland. Those of us on Long Island and in Manhattan must cross bridges to evacuate and, realistically, that cannot be done in a safe and timely manner, especially in the event of a truly disastrous situation. People will try, of course, and while some will make it elsewhere, the highways and bridges will become crowded and the end result will be people stuck in transit. The best thing for anyone in my area to do is hunker down and ride it out.

So, with reference to the nasty weather that is coming our way this weekend, my family and I will just keep an eye on the weather and go about our normal business.

Robert
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