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Buck · 03-04-2010, 06:33 PM

I saw many Toyotas on my last 3 long road trips. All drivers were in control of their Toyotas. None had panic in their expression, but the "you drive a lowly Ford" expressions were gone. I saw no sudden accelerations. If new and used Toyotas come down in price I might consider buying one.

Mac1337 · 03-04-2010, 06:55 PM

This situations affects women buyers more than men. Men think they are more in control and even if there is unintended acceleration we can handle it. What no one has ever explained is how this comes about? Does the car suddenly take off from standstill? Does it open up on the highway? Does it happen after a certain speed is reached?

OWC Jamie · 03-04-2010, 07:20 PM

jdc · 03-04-2010, 07:35 PM

from letterman a couple of days ago

2 minutes in: http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/...gE0MwGUTPB

RAMd®d · 03-04-2010, 07:45 PM

Men think they are more in control and even if there is unintended acceleration we

Article Accelerator · 03-04-2010, 07:49 PM

Buck wrote:
I saw many Toyotas on my last 3 long road trips. All drivers were in control of their Toyotas. None had panic in their expression, but the "you drive a lowly Ford" expressions were gone. I saw no sudden accelerations. If new and used Toyotas come down in price I might consider buying one.

Still with the xenophilia, Buck?

First speed skating and now this...

Racer X · 03-04-2010, 09:01 PM

RAMd®d wrote:
Men think they are more in control and even if there is unintended acceleration we

Rick-o · 03-04-2010, 09:22 PM

> pushing on the brakes will overcome WOT

Web Of Trust?

Wheel Of Time?

War On Terror?

:dunno:

mikebw · 03-04-2010, 09:24 PM

There is a difference between the engine overcoming the brakes, and the brakes overcoming the engine. If the car is already stopped there is no momentum on the rotors, fully apply the brakes and you get a great amount of static friction, then go to WOT and the brakes will probably hold. Now if you start with the car in motion at WOT, when you apply the brakes there is a large amount of kinetic energy to convert to heat in order to stop the car, and the hotter the pads get the less effective they will become. So I think it would very much depend on the situation whether or not the brakes will win.

RAMd®d · 03-04-2010, 09:30 PM

were they talking about Toyotas in particular?

No, it was said unequivocally that there wasn't any car that couldn't overcome WOT with their brakes.

So not just a few muscle cars with giant-ass brakes, but apparently every car. This came around the discussion of the Lexus accident in Southern CA that made the headlines and started this whole thing.

Their implication/my inference was that they were not differentiating between vehicles at rest and at speed.

If not I can think of dozens of musclecars that can easily overcome their brakes at WOT. And most old 60s/70s pick up trucks as well. Manual 4 way drums SUCK with a decent engine fighting them.

There was no reference to time as in new or older vehicles, but it was tossed out as some kind of universal truism.

You know, the kind we see here from time to time, however rare.

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Buck Posting Freak Posts: 3,261 Threads: 685 Joined: Feb 2021 Reputation: 0 #1 03-04-2010, 06:33 PM I saw many Toyotas on my last 3 long road trips. All drivers were in control of their Toyotas. None had panic in their expression, but the "you drive a lowly Ford" expressions were gone. I saw no sudden accelerations. If new and used Toyotas come down in price I might consider buying one. Find Reply Mac1337 Posting Freak Posts: 15,647 Threads: 1,310 Joined: Aug 2013 Reputation: 0 #2 03-04-2010, 06:55 PM This situations affects women buyers more than men. Men think they are more in control and even if there is unintended acceleration we can handle it. What no one has ever explained is how this comes about? Does the car suddenly take off from standstill? Does it open up on the highway? Does it happen after a certain speed is reached? Find Reply OWC Jamie Unregistered Posts: 50,838 Threads: 670 Joined: Mar 2024 #3 03-04-2010, 07:20 PM Find Reply jdc Unregistered Posts: 33,936 Threads: 1,272 Joined: May 2025 #4 03-04-2010, 07:35 PM from letterman a couple of days ago 2 minutes in: http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/...gE0MwGUTPB Find Reply RAMd®d Posting Freak Posts: 52,219 Threads: 2,799 Joined: May 2025 Reputation: 1 #5 03-04-2010, 07:45 PM Men think they are more in control and even if there is unintended acceleration we	can handle it. And therein lies the rub. What no one has ever explained... Right. There's much talk about it, but very little info contained. One podcast I listen too said no engine made can overcome the brakes on the vehicle, implying that no matter what the situation, pushing on the brakes will overcome WOT. I've not seen anythink about this being tested, or any source with research. Lots of questions, and no details or answers. [Geeeze, I really ought to Preview now and then.] Find Reply Article Accelerator Posting Freak Posts: 13,563 Threads: 175 Joined: May 2025 Reputation: 0 #6 03-04-2010, 07:49 PM Buck wrote: I saw many Toyotas on my last 3 long road trips. All drivers were in control of their Toyotas. None had panic in their expression, but the "you drive a lowly Ford" expressions were gone. I saw no sudden accelerations. If new and used Toyotas come down in price I might consider buying one. Still with the xenophilia, Buck? First speed skating and now this... Find Reply Racer X Posting Freak Posts: 42,600 Threads: 545 Joined: Nov 2023 Reputation: 0 #7 03-04-2010, 09:01 PM RAMd®d wrote: Men think they are more in control and even if there is unintended acceleration we	can handle it. And therein lies the rub. What no one has ever explained... Right. There's much talk about it, but very little info contained. One podcast I listen too said no engine made can overcome the brakes on the vehicle, implying that no matter what the situation, pushing on the brakes will overcome WOT. I've not seen anythink about this being tested, or any source with research. Lots of questions, and no details or answers. [Geeeze, I really ought to Preview now and then.] were they talking about Toyotas in particular? If not I can think of dozens of musclecars that can easily overcome their brakes at WOT. And most old 60s/70s pick up trucks as well. Manual 4 way drums SUCK with a decent engine fighting them. Find Reply Rick-o Unregistered Posts: 14,987 Threads: 1,340 Joined: May 2025 #8 03-04-2010, 09:22 PM > pushing on the brakes will overcome WOT Web Of Trust? Wheel Of Time? War On Terror? :dunno: Find Reply mikebw Posting Freak Posts: 21,885 Threads: 1,109 Joined: Mar 2024 Reputation: 0 #9 03-04-2010, 09:24 PM There is a difference between the engine overcoming the brakes, and the brakes overcoming the engine. If the car is already stopped there is no momentum on the rotors, fully apply the brakes and you get a great amount of static friction, then go to WOT and the brakes will probably hold. Now if you start with the car in motion at WOT, when you apply the brakes there is a large amount of kinetic energy to convert to heat in order to stop the car, and the hotter the pads get the less effective they will become. So I think it would very much depend on the situation whether or not the brakes will win. Find Reply RAMd®d Posting Freak Posts: 52,219 Threads: 2,799 Joined: May 2025 Reputation: 1 #10 03-04-2010, 09:30 PM were they talking about Toyotas in particular? No, it was said unequivocally that there wasn't any car that couldn't overcome WOT with their brakes. So not just a few muscle cars with giant-ass brakes, but apparently every car. This came around the discussion of the Lexus accident in Southern CA that made the headlines and started this whole thing. Their implication/my inference was that they were not differentiating between vehicles at rest and at speed. If not I can think of dozens of musclecars that can easily overcome their brakes at WOT. And most old 60s/70s pick up trucks as well. Manual 4 way drums SUCK with a decent engine fighting them. There was no reference to time as in new or older vehicles, but it was tossed out as some kind of universal truism. You know, the kind we see here from time to time, however rare. Find Reply
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