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Re: review of osx Lion - Chakravartin - 09-01-2011
deckeda wrote: Just don't go looking for much sympathy from the rest of us who choose to stay current, not for the newness but for the benefits you'll have to wait for (Windows, I suppose) to employ. If it ever does.
"Benefits?"
Name them.
Re: review of osx Lion - GeneL - 09-01-2011
deckeda wrote:
Journalistically speaking that wasn't a critical review, it was more a rant. And therefore pointless in helping the reader understand the changes.
To the author, the reasons for change (and therefore any potential benefits) are meaningless. Score 1 for raving at the moon about one's cheese being moved.
Nobody has to "like" Lion. I'll be the first to say it's far from perfect. But complaining without even understanding what it is you're seeing is downright embarrassing. And waiting for some forum consensus to "bless" the OS as fit for consumption is pathetic.
There are some Mac users on this forum that are effectively done with using OS X at this juncture and they haven't accepted that fate yet. Nothing wrong with that, and venting angst is natural. Just don't go looking for much sympathy from the rest of us who choose to stay current, not for the newness but for the benefits you'll have to wait for (Windows, I suppose) to employ. If it ever does.
While I appreciate your point of view, so far it seems to me that, based on a large number of user reports, the "pros" of Lion are outweighed by the many "cons." My own experiences with applications that have been altered to be compatible with Lion, have not been encouraging.
When and if that changes in favor of Lion, I'll be more motivated to see how using this "new" technology will improve my computing experience.
Of course, my computing needs are well supported by Snow Leopard, so the motivation to adopt this new OS is probably far less than yours, deckeda. I'll be looking forward to seeing what you have to tell us about your experiences when you've had more mileage using Lion.
I'm resistant to what I see as a radical change from previous mac operating systems, but I can be persuaded to "road test" it when the comments tip in Lion's favor.
Thanks for expressing your intelligent "as always" viewpoint, deckeda. Proponents of radical change are often resisted by the "masses!" :damnyou:
Re: review of osx Lion - (vikm) - 09-01-2011
I admittedly skimmed the page and the only thing that jumped out at me as being anything I've experienced is the part about Mail crashing. It has happened a grand total of ONE time to me.
I've also experienced the issue of Office not being compatible but that is hardly Apple's fault.
It has never seemed sluggish for me or prevented me from doing anything I've expected I should be able to. It has been near flawless for me (running an iMac i7 with 12GB RAM).
Maybe I should count myself fortunate, I dunno but it's been near perfect for me and I wouldn't even consider going back.
Re: review of osx Lion - Black - 09-01-2011
10.6.8 all around here.
Hopefully there will be a "Snow Leopard Service Pack 9" release while we're waiting for 10.8.
Re: review of osx Lion - chopper - 09-01-2011
Every damn OS since 10.4 has gotten worse.
Re: review of osx Lion - sekker - 09-01-2011
SL Mail crashed on me an hour ago, so that criticism is pretty pointless. Sorry it happens, but it's pretty rare.
I think there are going to be lots of different viewpoints. If you use an iOS device, usin Lion with a magic trackpad is more natural than SL.
If you are migrating from SL purely, I bet Lion is very confusing.
I will say that there are several interface options for Mail in Lion, giving you choices of an iPad versus SL -like feel. Chose what works best for you.
My one Lion machine upgrade went smoothly, and that white MacBook is definitely snappier.
I'm going to wait on my main machine - I think I'll upgrade hardware next year. I should have a better feel for the interface changes, and Tim should have fixed all the big and nagging software bugs.
Re: review of osx Lion - deckeda - 09-01-2011
Chakravartin wrote:
[quote=deckeda] Just don't go looking for much sympathy from the rest of us who choose to stay current, not for the newness but for the benefits you'll have to wait for (Windows, I suppose) to employ. If it ever does.
"Benefits?"
Name them.
Surprising comment, coming from someone presumably employed to know what they are. You don't agree with the changes, which is a different issue. Nobody's saying you have to appreciate how things are done now, but to characterize what you've outlined above in such tragic terms is a bit dramatic IMO.
On the other hand let's run through what you've mentioned.
TextEdit's Find and Replace
It took me 3 seconds to discover where this function was. Perhaps that's because I'm used to CMD-F and was watching the screen. Now I know where that cheese was moved to and never have to use a separate window for it again---it's within the document's window, like web browsers do it. That's a state of consistency with other apps, which is normally considered a good thing.
Scrolling
You know why this was done, to change from window- to document-centric user focus. Either behavior is just as valid as the other, depending on what you're used to and what input device you're using. And given that it's reversible behavior it's odd to name this change as something "wrong." Let them take it away and then bitch about its demise.
The OS should not "bounce" items out of view in Finder windows.
You've mentioned this before but I can't recreate it, regardless of window size or how many items are in a window. But I'll throw you a bone with a related complaint of my own: hitting the green "maximize" button no longer expands a Finder window to display everything within it.
iTunes
Really? Having to launch it and click your iPhone in the device tree is a complaint? Actually, setting up iDevices to automatically sync avoids well, all of this, am I right?
Auto-quitting of apps
You know the alternative, to have the whole Mac begin to slow down. And if you haven't been using the app, how much are you actually missing it anyway? Or maybe your Mac is so fast that it wouldn't ever slow down, and yet you're experiencing auto-quitting, which means its too conservative here. Quite valid. I wouldn't know for sure, not having a fast Mac.
I had it happen once. What normally happens instead is an app's window will refresh: go from grayed out, I'll see a "gear" rotating and then the window's contents will appear. (Not Safari, I've never seen it act like the author describes where it actually makes a new http request.) I'll gladly take that behavior in exchange for not having the whole thing slow to a crawl with memory page-outs until I can afford a faster machine.
Re: review of osx Lion - Chakravartin - 09-01-2011
> TextEdit's Find and Replace
Obscures the document.
Blah.
And it's not just the find/replace that's poorly implemented. The toolbar is a mess. The whole window-design has been broken. There's no simple way to edit plain text documents in TextEdit anymore.
Blah.
> Scrolling
It slows down a user's access to the contents of a window and eliminates important visual cues.
Blah.
> Inertial scrolling
Whether or not it completely bounces items out of view seems to depend upon the device used for scrolling. In older MacBooks and MacBook Pros it will bounce list-items completely out of the window. On newer laptops it may only leave half of the item obscured. Not much of an improvement. And it adds to the time that it takes to scroll through a window and select an item. Users have to wait for the contents of a window to stop bouncing before they can accurately click a target. In Safari, BUTTONS and LINKS bounce up and down, slowing down site-navigation considerably.
Blah.
> Auto-quitting of apps.
http://tidbits.com/article/12398
when the TidBITS fanbois complain about something, you KNOW it's broken.
Blah.
And the restore "feature" is also sh!t. The settings don't stick and they're ignored if you restart without taking the time to un-check the friggin box in the "Restart" window. Finding my old Terminal sessions restored -- with all of my previous commands present -- every time that I launch the app even though I've set it not to restore windows infuriates me. It's not just an annoying bug. It's a huge security hole.
Blah.
Lion sucks.
Re: review of osx Lion - deckeda - 09-01-2011
Chakravartin wrote:
> Auto-quitting of apps.
http://tidbits.com/article/12398
when the TidBITS fanbois complain about something, you KNOW it's broken.
The author likes to have minute control over his OS, even when he can't always explain why very well. That's moved cheese again. There was one instance where he mentioned an app (Preview) quitting on him when he was coming back to it soon, even though it had no open windows and wasn't doing anything. And yet somehow that's a flaw, despite it not being a typical scenario. Whatever.
What was interesting was his initial assumption auto quitting must have been implemented as a way to save RAM, but that the real solution to that is to buy more RAM. That would be great, if I could, but I'm maxed out at 4GB (3GB is recognized on this old mini) which only makes my point even stronger here: I have a choice of running tons of apps on 10.6 and having the Mac do several page-outs to a slow hard disk, or running as many as I practically can on Lion and letting Lion keep things running better by killing a few in the background. Anyone who can't see that as a benefit is either blind, in denial or has modern hardware where it's rarely an issue anyway.
What's really interesting is that if you see yourself as the TidBITS author does, "fully in control" you'd probably prefer to close Terminal windows yourself prior to quitting Terminal, thereby preventing them from reappearing upon the next launch.
Lion sucks.
Yeah, you've shown it's uh, really miserable and without merit.
Re: review of osx Lion - DaviDC. - 09-01-2011
I installed it on an external drive & used it for a week then went scurrying back to 10.6.8.