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Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - Acer - 10-27-2023
"We can't proceed until we agree on definitions, and by default I will never agree to any definition my opponent proposes, therefore we cannot proceed."
Does this logical fallacy have a name?
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - Mr645 - 10-27-2023
Acer wrote:
"We can't proceed until we agree on definitions, and by default I will never agree to any definition my opponent proposes, therefore we cannot proceed."
Does this logical fallacy have a name?
Terms matter. Especially when those trying to make laws fail to understand the topic they are trying to make laws regarding.
Political leaders use gun violence for political advantages. That's why 38 people shot in Chicago last weekend is not news worthy. Those lives don't matter to politicians
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - Acer - 10-27-2023
That's why despite the simplified name on the top, the legislation and regulation take great pains to precisely define what is and what is not covered for any law. Any definition will include gray areas, because life is like that. We must accept that, and move on to the problem we are trying to solve.
Re: Up to 20 people dead and suspect at large after multiple incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine - Speedy - 10-27-2023
Mr645 wrote:
ver 30 people shot, horrible. Not as bad as last weekend in Chicago. I know, no one cares about black on black crime, or hand gun shootings
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New report links dozens of Chicago police to a national extremist group
https://www.aol.com/report-links-dozens-chicago-police-093305861.html
The nation’s focus this week shifted abruptly to Lewiston, Maine, where a mass shooting left at least 18 people dead. The suspect in the attack is also an Army reservist, and a recent study found that a military background is the strongest “single strongest” predictor of violent extremism in America. But with the suspect and a motive both elusive as of Thursday night, it was unclear whether the tragic attack could be tied to extremist ideology.
Also this week, Chicago police officers tied to the Oath Keepers remain on the force, where many have troubling records, according to a new investigation. A man authorities described as a former “incel” is charged with planning a mass shooting at the University of Arizona, and federal agencies warn of a spiking risk of more hate-motivated violent crimes as the war in the Middle East rages on.
It’s the week in extremism.
Investigation: Chicago police tied to Oath Keepers
A sweeping investigation from the Chicago Sun-Times, WBEZ Chicago and the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project looked into the records of dozens of Chicago Police officers who were revealed to be connected to the extremist group the Oath Keepers. Journalists found the officers in question have troubling records, including making racist comments on the job, conducting improper searches and excessive force.
The three-part investigation dug deep into the records of 27 current and former officers whose names appeared on leaked rolls from the Oath Keepers. (When the leaked list first emerged, USA TODAY reported that it also included at least 20 current military members.)
At least nine of the officers remain on the job, despite Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s vow to rid the Chicago Police Department of extremists, the investigation found.
From the story: “Many of the cops on the Oath Keepers' rolls worked in the Special Operations Section, which was disbanded amid revelations that some members had committed brazen robberies and the purported ringleader plotted to murder a colleague.”
The Chicago Police Department closed down an investigation into the Oath Keepers links without taking any action, according to the report. A new investigation has now been launched.
For context: Two members of the Oath Keepers, including founder Stewart Rhodes, were found guilty earlier this year of seditious conspiracy for their role in the Jan. 6 insurrection. Three more were found guilty of other serious crimes.
FBI: Former ‘incel’ planned mass shooting at University of Arizona
A 27-year-old man was arrested and charged with threatening to commit a mass shooting at the University of Arizona this week, according to court documents first reported by Court Watch, a news blog that monitors federal court filings.
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - Racer X - 10-27-2023
Acer wrote:
[quote=Smote]
[quote=Acer]
Is there something I said that is not true?
There are many reasons Britain lost. The minuteman is part of the story, but a heavily romanticized small part of a what was in many ways an on-and-off world war lasting a century.
https://historycollection.com/revolution-revisited-10-reasons-great-britain-lost-war-independence/
not even close
https://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,2877379
"But why do you point to a gun law and imply it is a positive feature when you think that the right to own a firearm is absolute? Why should you NOT be able to go to a gun show and buy anything you want? Second Amendment purists want Biden to be correct when he says this."
now keep reading.
Every thread that discusses any restrictions on gun ownership has you quoting recent court decisions on how sacred and absolute the right to bear arms is. You never actually say what laws you think are reasonable and do no violate the 2nd. Tell me what restrictions on this right you accept. Do background checks pass muster? Red flag laws? Automatic weapons by permit only? Private sale loophole closure? Ghost gun regulations? Restrictions to carry on a public transportation?
so, you are NOT going to step up and show me/us, where I said that the 2A is absolute, and has no restrictions?
then cease to claim you have any clue what my beliefs are, and what I'm thinking.
And apologize for asserting something that you can't and won't prove.
man up or shut up.
I'm $1,000 confident I never said it. Are you $1,000 sure I did?
And I DO discuss what I think is reasonable, you just don't read, or maybe just don't retain. That's a "you" problem as my kids say.
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - Tiangou - 10-27-2023
Smote wrote:
[quote=Acer]
[quote=Smote]
[quote=Acer]
Is there something I said that is not true?
There are many reasons Britain lost. The minuteman is part of the story, but a heavily romanticized small part of a what was in many ways an on-and-off world war lasting a century.
https://historycollection.com/revolution-revisited-10-reasons-great-britain-lost-war-independence/
not even close
https://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,2877379
"But why do you point to a gun law and imply it is a positive feature when you think that the right to own a firearm is absolute? Why should you NOT be able to go to a gun show and buy anything you want? Second Amendment purists want Biden to be correct when he says this."
now keep reading.
Every thread that discusses any restrictions on gun ownership has you quoting recent court decisions on how sacred and absolute the right to bear arms is. You never actually say what laws you think are reasonable and do no violate the 2nd. Tell me what restrictions on this right you accept. Do background checks pass muster? Red flag laws? Automatic weapons by permit only? Private sale loophole closure? Ghost gun regulations? Restrictions to carry on a public transportation?
so, you are NOT going to step up and show me/us, where I said that the 2A is absolute, and has no restrictions?
then cease to claim you have any clue what my beliefs are, and what I'm thinking.
And apologize for asserting something that you can't and won't prove.
man up or shut up.
I'm $1,000 confident I never said it. Are you $1,000 sure I did?
You defended the idea that the 2d Amendment conferred an absolute right in this post.
https://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,2870768,2870963#msg-2870963
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - RgrF - 10-27-2023
If someone's going to take you up on your challenge, they should have a right to comb thru posts under your previous MRF handle. Might be difficult though since they're all deleted.
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - Racer X - 10-27-2023
Did I say it was absolute without any restrictions or restraints, yes or no.
And I urged everyone to let this be between Acer and myself.
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - btfc - 10-27-2023
“ Did I say it was absolute without any restrictions or restraints, yes or no.
And I urged everyone to let this be between Acer and myself. “
What a weasel…
Re: 18 people were killed and 13 injured in Maine shootings, governor says - RgrF - 10-27-2023
A weasel who's a bully or a bully who's a weasel, which one you mean Willis?