If you hate mosquitoes, you'll like this

[anonymouse1]

FYI, here's what's that insecticide also does.

Toxicity in animals
Mosquitoes
Bifenthrin is an effective pesticide to use against malaria and filaria vector mosquitoes. It is still effective when a resistance to other pyrethroids is found. Mosquito nets and indoor walls can be treated with bifenthrin[6] to keep more mosquitoes away.[7] Bifenthrin is an effectively used insecticide, but the risk is high of it working only for a short time. Mosquitoes can develop a resistance to it, as well.[8]

Aquatic life
Bifenthrin is hardly soluble in water, so nearly all bifenthrin will stay in the sediment, but it is very harmful for the aquatic life. Even in small concentrations, fish and other aquatic animals are affected by bifenthrin.[4] One of the reasons for the high sensitivity of fish is fish have a slow metabolism. Bifenthrin will stay longer in the system of the fish. Another reason for the high sensitivity of fish is the effect of bifenthrin as ATPase-inhibitor. The gills need ATP to control the osmotic balance of oxygen. If the fish is no longer capable of taking up oxygen because ATP can no longer be used, the fish will die.[9] In cold water, bifenthrin is even more dangerous. pH and calcium concentration are also factors that influence the toxicity.[10] Vertebrates are less sensitive to the effects of bifenthrin as ATPase-inhibitor.

Bees
In bees, the lethal concentration (LC50) of bifenthrin is about 17 mg/l.[11] At sublethal concentrations, bifenthrin reduces the fecundity of bees, decreases the rate at which bee larvae develop into adults, and increases their immature periods.[11]


Carcinogenicity
The U.S. EPA classified bifenthrin as a Category C, possible human carcinogen. This rating is based on an increased rate of urinary bladder tumors in mice, adenoma and adenocarcinoma of the liver in male mice, and bronchoalveolar adenomas and adenocarcinomas of the lung in some female mice.[12]

Potential for neurotoxicity
Bifenthrin can be absorbed by humans either by skin contact or ingestion. Skin contact is not toxic, causing only a slight tingling sensation on the specific location of contact. Ingestion in concentrations below 10?4 M is not toxic. However, commercially available bifenthrin products formulated for household use (such as Ortho Home Defense Max, sold as a liquid pump spray), can induce toxic effects due to other chemicals added to improve the sustainability of bifenthrin[which?] or are toxic on their own.[which?] Symptoms of excessive exposure are nausea, headaches, hypersensitivity for touch and sound, and irritation of the skin and the eyes.[13]

An acute and chronic reference dose (RfD) for bifenthrin has been established, based on animal studies. The reference dose resembles the estimated quantity of a chemical which a person could be exposed to every day (or a one-time exposure for the acute RfD) without any appreciable risk of adverse health effects. The acute reference dose (RfD) for bifenthrin is 0.328 mg/kg bodyweight/day. The chronic reference dose (RfD) for bifenthrin is 0.013 mg/kg bodyweight/day.[4]

Bifenthrin was included in a biocide ban proposed by the Swedish Chemicals Agency, because of its carcinogenic effect.[15] This was approved by the European Parliament in 2009. Pesticides containing bifenthrin were withdrawn from use in the European Union.They have since been reinstated.

[vision63]

anonymouse1 wrote:
FYI, here's what's that insecticide also does.

Toxicity in animals
Mosquitoes
Bifenthrin is an effective pesticide to use against malaria and filaria vector mosquitoes. It is still effective when a resistance to other pyrethroids is found. Mosquito nets and indoor walls can be treated with bifenthrin[6] to keep more mosquitoes away.[7] Bifenthrin is an effectively used insecticide, but the risk is high of it working only for a short time. Mosquitoes can develop a resistance to it, as well.[8]

Aquatic life
Bifenthrin is hardly soluble in water, so nearly all bifenthrin will stay in the sediment, but it is very harmful for the aquatic life. Even in small concentrations, fish and other aquatic animals are affected by bifenthrin.[4] One of the reasons for the high sensitivity of fish is fish have a slow metabolism. Bifenthrin will stay longer in the system of the fish. Another reason for the high sensitivity of fish is the effect of bifenthrin as ATPase-inhibitor. The gills need ATP to control the osmotic balance of oxygen. If the fish is no longer capable of taking up oxygen because ATP can no longer be used, the fish will die.[9] In cold water, bifenthrin is even more dangerous. pH and calcium concentration are also factors that influence the toxicity.[10] Vertebrates are less sensitive to the effects of bifenthrin as ATPase-inhibitor.

Bees
In bees, the lethal concentration (LC50) of bifenthrin is about 17 mg/l.[11] At sublethal concentrations, bifenthrin reduces the fecundity of bees, decreases the rate at which bee larvae develop into adults, and increases their immature periods.[11]


Carcinogenicity
The U.S. EPA classified bifenthrin as a Category C, possible human carcinogen. This rating is based on an increased rate of urinary bladder tumors in mice, adenoma and adenocarcinoma of the liver in male mice, and bronchoalveolar adenomas and adenocarcinomas of the lung in some female mice.[12]

Potential for neurotoxicity
Bifenthrin can be absorbed by humans either by skin contact or ingestion. Skin contact is not toxic, causing only a slight tingling sensation on the specific location of contact. Ingestion in concentrations below 10?4 M is not toxic. However, commercially available bifenthrin products formulated for household use (such as Ortho Home Defense Max, sold as a liquid pump spray), can induce toxic effects due to other chemicals added to improve the sustainability of bifenthrin[which?] or are toxic on their own.[which?] Symptoms of excessive exposure are nausea, headaches, hypersensitivity for touch and sound, and irritation of the skin and the eyes.[13]

An acute and chronic reference dose (RfD) for bifenthrin has been established, based on animal studies. The reference dose resembles the estimated quantity of a chemical which a person could be exposed to every day (or a one-time exposure for the acute RfD) without any appreciable risk of adverse health effects. The acute reference dose (RfD) for bifenthrin is 0.328 mg/kg bodyweight/day. The chronic reference dose (RfD) for bifenthrin is 0.013 mg/kg bodyweight/day.[4]

Bifenthrin was included in a biocide ban proposed by the Swedish Chemicals Agency, because of its carcinogenic effect.[15] This was approved by the European Parliament in 2009. Pesticides containing bifenthrin were withdrawn from use in the European Union.They have since been reinstated.

But is it really effective against Mosquitoes? What if one just deadheads towards you from outside the treated area?

My friend sent me this to ask y'all:

This Talstar One insecticide seems to be too good to be true.  If you spray it on grass or plants how long does it last? How often does it need to be re-applied?  Does it leach into the groundwater? Why does the label say “Consult the pest control regulatory agency in your state prior to use of this product.”

[NewtonMP2100]

....they thought that 'Roundup' was safe......now it causes cancer.....and is everywhere.......


.....some times the ends don't justify the means....if you use toxic chemicals because they 'work'.....the same 'toxic' chemical can come back to bite you....

[mrbigstuff]

NewtonMP2100 wrote:
....they thought that 'Roundup' was safe......now it causes cancer.....and is everywhere.......


.....some times the ends don't justify the means....if you use toxic chemicals because they 'work'.....the same 'toxic' chemical can come back to bite you....

Exactly. There is no free lunch.

[d4]

When used as directed, Talstar lasts about a month depending on how much rain you get. I don't spray my grass with it, so I'm not sure about that. I spray the perimeter PVC fences. And bases of shrubs. And far corners of the yard where the air is still and shady. Where mosquitoes like to hang out. No one goes around licking the fence or crawling around in the far corner dirt patch of the yard. The bottle says it's safe after it dries for a few hours, but use some common sense. There's a whole page of fine print warnings on the bottle. It's not perfume here.

If you are in any way uncomfortable with a mask, gloves, and using a pump sprayer and paying attention to the direction of the breeze, by all means call a pro who will probably use the same exact Talstar product on your yard. If you're a halfway handy homeowner I think you can handle it. Watch some YouTube videos.

[rjmacs]

d4 wrote:
When used as directed, Talstar lasts about a month depending on how much rain you get. I don't spray my grass with it, so I'm not sure about that. I spray the perimeter PVC fences. And bases of shrubs. And far corners of the yard where the air is still and shady. Where mosquitoes like to hang out. No one goes around licking the fence or crawling around in the far corner dirt patch of the yard. The bottle says it's safe after it dries for a few hours, but use some common sense. There's a whole page of fine print warnings on the bottle. It's not perfume here.

If you are in any way uncomfortable with a mask, gloves, and using a pump sprayer and paying attention to the direction of the breeze, by all means call a pro who will probably use the same exact Talstar product on your yard. If you're a halfway handy homeowner I think you can handle it. Watch some YouTube videos.

The trouble with readily available toxics isn't users like you, who are clearly responsible and restrained.

For every one of you, there are dozens of Squito Warriors drenching their backyards (and their neighbors', depending on prevailing breezes) with the stuff. Muffy the cockapoo can be replaced if she keels over from kidney failure. The kids seem fine.

:cursin:

[d4]

rjmacs wrote:
[quote=d4]
When used as directed, Talstar lasts about a month depending on how much rain you get. I don't spray my grass with it, so I'm not sure about that. I spray the perimeter PVC fences. And bases of shrubs. And far corners of the yard where the air is still and shady. Where mosquitoes like to hang out. No one goes around licking the fence or crawling around in the far corner dirt patch of the yard. The bottle says it's safe after it dries for a few hours, but use some common sense. There's a whole page of fine print warnings on the bottle. It's not perfume here.

If you are in any way uncomfortable with a mask, gloves, and using a pump sprayer and paying attention to the direction of the breeze, by all means call a pro who will probably use the same exact Talstar product on your yard. If you're a halfway handy homeowner I think you can handle it. Watch some YouTube videos.

The trouble with readily available toxics isn't users like you, who are clearly responsible and restrained.

For every one of you, there are dozens of Squito Warriors drenching their backyards (and their neighbors', depending on prevailing breezes) with the stuff. Muffy the cockapoo can be replaced if she keels over from kidney failure. The kids seem fine.

:cursin:
Which might be why Talstar is not readily available off the shelf at HomeDepot, Walmart or Lowes. You have to research online and search for it. Talstar is not an impulse buy in the weekly circular. Most regular people have never heard of Talstar. Instead they will buy a consumer level premixed "Cutter" type spray in a bottle you attach to the end of a hose and go to town.