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Comey report leaked (edit: make that "released")
#21
max wrote:
No worry, I come from a different backgrounds [sic], we are more direct, more honest, thats all.
I am quite happy watching you boyz stewing in your juices about Trump.
The very guy you elected.

..you cannot admit your sole responsibility for Trump's election .

I also find it hilarious how the geniuses here are diligently sticking their heads the sand and studiously misreading my posts. My points.

Again, it is not my problem, you can lead a horse to water....

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#22
Max, clinical denial is good for you I think. You are forgetting all of the Pro-Bernie work by the Russians.

It is your arm of the political spectrum that was the tipping point FOR Trump.

Some of us have been Never Trumpers. The day he attacked Gold Star families, I joined the NTs. When have you EVER fought this dictator?
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#23
sekker wrote:
You are forgetting all of the Pro-Bernie work by the Russians.
That is so typical of any loser's unwillingness to fix what led to their fiasco in the first place, a shrill denial of the real causes for their failure. Pointing fingers in every direction, but at themselves.
Blaming the Russians, blaming the Jews, blaming any outside group, the boogie man, but not willing to look at your own faults. Not having to admit that you screwed up. Not having to reform yourself.
And as long as you only look at the Russians, the Jews, the boogie man, you cannot identify your internal causes and you cannot fix them. And as long as you will not fix it, you are destined to lose again....

sekker wrote:
Some of us have been Never Trumpers. The day he attacked Gold Star families, I joined the NTs. When have you EVER fought this dictator?

That is plain stupid, you are the one that painted Trump as devil incarnate and expect everybody to join your Holy Inquisition.
This country wanted change in the ossified and corrupt, kleptocratic oligarchical system we have become.
The economic collapse of 2008 has illustrated the extent of the problem and changing it was the promise that elected Obama, not the same corrupt Goldman Sachs stooge that was Clinton.
Obama lied, we got no change, just more of the same.
The very reason Bernie got so far, despite being sabotaged by your corrupt DNC and Clinton clique, were not the Russians, not the Jews, not some boogie man, but this country's desire for change.
I wanted change, I wanted Bernie and his program, not Clinton, not Trump. Not Cruz, Cruz was the one to be truly afraid of.
But you and your Clintonistas kicked Bernie to the side and the country elected the only other agent of change available. For that you are responsible, AND Obama.
Obama because he did not bring any changes he promised, instead we got more fascism, more warmongering, more Police State. Exactly the same what we got under Bush, but more of the same. Bush 2.0.
No Change.
And Clinton was offering exactly the same, more warmongering, more fascism, more Police State.
You could have offered an alternative, you did not. The country wanted change desperately and the only choice YOU gave it was Trump.

I did not vote for Trump, there were other alternatives that were closer to my conscience. My candidate did not win and I am used to that. In fact my candidate has not won in more than 2 decades. But I have a clear conscience. And being outside the circus gives me a more balanced, more objective view of our politics.
I am not burdened, unlike most of you or mainstream domestic media, with Trump obsession. It is interesting that reading Asian, or European press one gets more sober and objective view of US and Trump politics.

No, I am not afraid of Trump, even though I disagree with about 65% of his policies, other 35% I am waiting to see how they will play out.
Trump a dictator, that is a laughable, self induced fantasy and I am surprised that somebody as smart as you have bought into this cheap propaganda. He is no more of a dictator than Obama was, as many Republicans claimed. We have a very effective system of checks and balances that still precludes it.
This country survived Bush, it survived Obama and his expansion of fascism and drastic limitations of our civil liberties under both; we will survive Trump, while hopefully the system does get turned upside down and shaken up enough, we get up enough testicular fortitude to make real changes and fix it....
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#24
Nice rant, max. There is a great scene in the movie Lincoln that talks EXACTLY why THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PROTEST VOTE. Democracy largely changes in small increments - with the exception of horrifying changes like the Civil War.

Once your preferred candidate loses (in this case, Bernie was NOT close to winning the Dem ticket), NOT supporting the next closest candidate IS supporting the other side - in this case, Trump. Once Bernie lost, if he had been truly a part of the Democratic movement, he would have supported Clinton with the goal of getting progress on his change movement. Instead, he was a reluctant supporter.

Until you admit that THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO VOTING in a democracy, you will keep blaming the WRONG people.

As for 45, he IS acting like a dictator when his power is not checked. And his attacks on the media and law enforcement, and his witness tampering by ridiculous pardons, and his loyalty tests - they are unprecedented. We do not even have checks and balances for his actions. Especially when those who want real change in this country - like you - fail to stand up to him.

I am not a faux NTer - he is NOT QUALIFIED to be our Commander in Chief. I have a number of conservative friends who are APPALLED at who we have voted in to be in charge of the military. They feel abandoned as they are not pro-Dems, but the current GOP is not standing up for their values. As bad as Cruz would have been, I do not think he'd try to start a nuclear war. And I am sure he would take charge of casualties and their families when their bodies come home. Not so, 45.

Finally, I am holding a Japanese paper from Hiroshima talking about Trump and North Korea. And I was just in Hong Kong. The Asia press are FAR more worried about Trump and skeptical of his actions than 99% of US MSM.
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#25
Reminding me of this George Carlin bit.

"...I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”

Also...

"The next time they give you all that civic bullshit about voting, keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election."
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#26
sekker wrote:
Nice rant, max.
Sure, sekker if you are unable to argue a point, just dismiss the other side as a rant...

sekker wrote:
Once your preferred candidate loses (in this case, Bernie was NOT close to winning the Dem ticket), NOT supporting the next closest candidate IS supporting the other side - in this case, Trump..
And the next preferred presidential candidate was not Trump, nor Clinton. There were at least two other candidates you could have picked to vote for.
The responsibility falls squarely on you, for nominating a candidate so fundamentally flawed and scandal-ridden that she would lose to a has-been reality TV star.

"Until you admit that THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO VOTING in a democracy, you will keep blaming the WRONG people." and you still do....

sekker wrote:
I am not a faux NTer - he is NOT QUALIFIED to be our Commander in Chief. I have a number of conservative friends ....
The old "I know somebody who has black friends" argument?...

sekker wrote:
Finally, I am holding a Japanese paper from Hiroshima talking about Trump and North Korea. And I was just in Hong Kong. The Asia press are FAR more worried about Trump and skeptical of his actions than 99% of US MSM.
Sure, for Japanese it is an existentialist question, they be should more worried than anybody, but South Korea.
Also, Asia economically has much more to lose than US, most of them do not have as much as us of the economic depth to survive a tariff war. Although Chinese are willing to take a lot of beating.
I do not think we disagree on this point except for what you imagine my positions are...

Sarcany wrote:
Reminding me of this George Carlin bit.
"...I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain."
Bingo, the fact is that Trump was not my candidate, and it was your candidate that made Trump's election possible.
You own this....


Sarcany wrote:
Also...

"The next time they give you all that civic bullshit about voting, keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election."
"The next time they give you all that civic bullshit about voting" keep in mind that your Hitler actually lost the presidential election of 1932., ie " Hitler was" NOT "elected in a full, free democratic election."
He was appointed as a Chancellor by Hindenburg ( the guy he lost the election to ) after Nazi's won a plurality, not even a majority in the Reichstag.....
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