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PSA: Drop Side Cribs to go Nite Nite....
#11
cbelt3 wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
So where's the outrage? It seems as if everyone can sh!t bricks about an iPhone dropping signals they could work up at least a teeny bit of disgruntlement over a product that killed 36 children in the last three years.

Because most of us slept in these selfsame cribs, or even more poorly constructed devices. And the 'what worked for me should work for my kids' is the most common parental thought process for parents.

Except for those damn cloth diapers. I'm VERY grateful for disposable diapers. I spent too much of my pre-teen and teen years changing cloth diapers on my baby sisters. Eww.....
I agree with both points. Though, some of the well made older cribs are every bit as safe as ones made to the current specs. But the market was flooded with lots of cheaply made cribs using poor quality components over the last few decades. And many parents did not know how to tell the difference, and it was not always determinable by price either.
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#12
Does nobody besides me think they could be part of the natural selection process? :devil:
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#13
AlphaDog wrote:
Does nobody besides me think they could be part of the natural selection process? :devil:

That was sort of my point.
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#14
These regulations are only going to worsen the problem. Most US crib manufacturers have quit making cribs. The regulations quickly change, and sometimes back and forth on what can be sold and what can't.

Most cribs anymore are made in China. They don't care about the safety standards. They will sell stuff that has the appearance of being safe, but really isn't. Eventually more kids will get killed by their cheap engineering, but they'll have made their money and not be subject to US law. They use bad wood, cheap hardware and extremely toxic paints and stains. The regulations pretty much only get enforced on US companies.

"If you are a crib company, at this point you are probably dancing ... because of the various effects of this law,"

That just shows how disconnected the regulators are from what's happening. When we searched for a crib a little over a year ago it was nearly impossible to find one that was well built and had a finish that was non-toxic. We ended up getting an unfinished crib and staining it ourselves.
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#15
AlphaDog wrote:
Does nobody besides me think they could be part of the natural selection process? :devil:

What, if you're lazy you get to live, but if you are motivated, move around, explore... you die?
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#16
M A V I C wrote:
[quote=AlphaDog]
Does nobody besides me think they could be part of the natural selection process? :devil:

What, if you're lazy you get to live, but if you are motivated, move around, explore... you die?
:agree:
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#17
$tevie wrote:
[quote=M A V I C]
[quote=AlphaDog]
Does nobody besides me think they could be part of the natural selection process? :devil:

What, if you're lazy you get to live, but if you are motivated, move around, explore... you die?
:agree:
Coupled with Xbox/PS3 addiction in later years, we're rapidly approaching the humans featured in the film "Wall-e"
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#18
cbelt3 wrote: Because most of us slept in these selfsame cribs..

Having worked in the health and safety biz, this is a classic fallacy that I've heard repeated time and time again, and that all safety professionals roll their eyes at hearing (or in many cases get the urge to scream). I've gotten this same story from people who didn't want to wear hard hats, safety boots or safety glasses. "I haven't gotten hurt yet so I don't see why I need to wear this" is typical. All this proves is that some fraction of the populace made it through alive. If 100 people went through childhood sleeping in a dangerous crib and 2 of them died, then there are 98 survivors left, all of whom can claim that "most [or all] of us slept in these selfsame cribs and didn't die". The statement is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is the statistical chance of death or injury associated with a crib design. If you (or your baby) is one of those in the small percentage that gets killed or hurt, you don't give a damn about how many others weren't victims.
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#19
I don't think it's fair to compare cribs to hard hats, safety boots... the adult examples are based on choice. An infant isn't going to be choosing to be in a dropside crib or not. I'm not debunking your concept that just because it's rare doesn't mean it doesn't need fixing.

That said, there are other crib related issues which kill far more infants. In about the last two and a half years, there have only been 36 deaths related to drop side cribs. In roughly that same time period, there's been 750 strangulation and suffocation deaths. Those are largely due to people putting stuff in the cribs that don't belong there. These are things like crib bumpers which parents who don't do research think are a good thing for their kid when there's no regulation of them and studies find there are certain ages of kids and designs of the bumpers that are prone to causing suffocation.
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