When is the U.S. led EU/NATO coalition gonna get involved in kicking Ruskie booty outa Ukraine?

[Racer X]

steve... wrote:
[quote=Racer X]
Poland just gave a bunch of MiG-29s to the Ukraine. The Ukrainian pilots are picking them up now.

That 40 mile convoy of stalled Russian war machines looks like a good place to start.
The Ukrainians have about 16 attack UAVs left. Theirs were built in Turkey. Perfect job for them. Hope they get a LOT more (we call them UCAVs.)

[Lemon Drop]

NATO already is involved. NATO countries including the US are supplying Ukraine with weapons and other supplies, therefore we are already in a proxy war with Russia. Russia may choose to respond to that, in which case all hell will break loose, or maybe it's more correct to say all hell will get worse.

I'm all for stopping Russia. I pray the Russian soldiers, many of whom were lied to and tricked into fighting their neighbors, will surrender or go AWOL en masse. Putin's strategy requires urban warfare, which is very soldier intensive. He can't win without those bodies.

[Blankity Blank]

The weather is about to turn on Putin.

From an analysis by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, from this January. A lot of interesting information therein.

”An invasion that begins in January or February would have the advantage of frozen ground to support the cross-country movement of a large mechanized force. It would also mean operating in conditions of freezing cold and limited visibility. January is usually the coldest and snowiest month of the year in Ukraine, averaging 8.5 hours of daylight during the month and increasing to 10 hours by February.8 This would put a premium on night fighting capabilities to keep an advance moving forward. Should fighting continue into March, mechanized forces would have to deal with the infamous Rasputitsa, or thaw. In October, Rasputitsa turns firm ground into mud. In March, the frozen steppes thaw, and the land again becomes at best a bog, and at worst a sea of mud. Winter weather is also less than optimal for reliable close air support operations.”

[N-OS X-tasy!]

Blankity Blank wrote:
The weather is about to turn on Putin.

From an analysis by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, from this January. A lot of interesting information therein.

”An invasion that begins in January or February would have the advantage of frozen ground to support the cross-country movement of a large mechanized force. It would also mean operating in conditions of freezing cold and limited visibility. January is usually the coldest and snowiest month of the year in Ukraine, averaging 8.5 hours of daylight during the month and increasing to 10 hours by February.8 This would put a premium on night fighting capabilities to keep an advance moving forward. Should fighting continue into March, mechanized forces would have to deal with the infamous Rasputitsa, or thaw. In October, Rasputitsa turns firm ground into mud. In March, the frozen steppes thaw, and the land again becomes at best a bog, and at worst a sea of mud. Winter weather is also less than optimal for reliable close air support operations.”

It will be interesting to see if the Rasputitsa will pose as much of an obstacle for the native Russians as it historically has for invading forces.

[macphanatic]

Lemon Drop wrote:
I'm all for stopping Russia. I pray the Russian soldiers, many of whom were lied to and tricked into fighting their neighbors, will surrender or go AWOL en masse. Putin's strategy requires urban warfare, which is very soldier intensive. He can't win without those bodies.

But what will that mean for their loved ones at home? This is the motivator to do as ordered.

[Lemon Drop]

macphanatic wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
I'm all for stopping Russia. I pray the Russian soldiers, many of whom were lied to and tricked into fighting their neighbors, will surrender or go AWOL en masse. Putin's strategy requires urban warfare, which is very soldier intensive. He can't win without those bodies.

But what will that mean for their loved ones at home? This is the motivator to do as ordered.
I have no idea, but fear is not stopping large numbers from surrendering and even sabotaging equipment.

WASHINGTON — Plagued by poor morale as well as fuel and food shortages, some Russian troops in Ukraine have surrendered en masse or sabotaged their own vehicles to avoid fighting, a senior Pentagon official said on Tuesday.

Some entire Russian units have laid down their arms without a fight after confronting a surprisingly stiff Ukrainian defense, the official said. A significant number of the Russian troops are young conscripts who are poorly trained and ill-prepared for the all-out assault. And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world...tagon.html