Speaking of Car Batteries - the EV version

[C(-)ris]

Carnos Jax wrote:
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[quote=Carnos Jax]
[quote=ztirffritz]
I can generally charge my Tesla on road-trips in the amount of time it takes me to pee and get a coffee/snack. I don't find that charge time to be much of an issue.

^^^this…..people are so ignorant when it comes to EVs and charging.
I don't always want to pee and take a snack break every time I need fuel. You mentally have to alter your fueling standards in order to accept inconvenience and reduce range anxiety. Nothing wrong with that but that's what happens. I want the BYD method. I want it asap. I don't care how many villages worth of power it would take.
Once you’ve experienced it, you’ll think the old way is backwards and more inconvenient.
I agree. I net a HUUUUUUUUGE time savings with my EV because I can plug my EV in at home and charge over night. It takes 5 seconds to plug it in and unplug it when I leave. I do that 365 days a year. It takes 5 minutes to pump a tank of gas and I would have to do that twice a week. That is 510 minutes of time I get back with an EV. I also save a ton of money and am healthier not buying snacks when I fuel up.

[dk62]

Carnos Jax wrote:

Once you’ve experienced it, you’ll think the old way is backwards and more inconvenient.

I would tend to disagree. Depends which area of the country you go to and to some degree which EV you have. And at this point of my life, half an hour of my time is worth way more than any savings on energy (and in most cases, superchargers are more expensive than gas anyway). As I mentioned before, when going to national parks or remote areas (more than 100 mi each way), my wife and I usually take our ICE vehicle and leave the EV for commuting and local drives, with at-home charging.

Even with the availability of Tesla superchargers for my vehicle, when visiting my son the only superchargers are either a big popular mall (usually none free) or IKEA. Do I really want to have Swedish meatballs for snack every time I am charging?? Contrast that with freeway rest stops, which usually have several food/drink options.

[Carnos Jax]

dk62 wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]

Once you’ve experienced it, you’ll think the old way is backwards and more inconvenient.

I would tend to disagree. Depends which area of the country you go to and to some degree which EV you have. And at this point of my life, half an hour of my time is worth way more than any savings on energy (and in most cases, superchargers are more expensive than gas anyway). As I mentioned before, when going to national parks or remote areas (more than 100 mi each way), my wife and I usually take our ICE vehicle and leave the EV for commuting and local drives, with at-home charging.

Even with the availability of Tesla superchargers for my vehicle, when visiting my son the only superchargers are either a big popular mall (usually none free) or IKEA. Do I really want to have Swedish meatballs for snack every time I am charging?? Contrast that with freeway rest stops, which usually have several food/drink options.
You're absolutely right, it's not for everyone. However I do think it's ideal for working class families that have their own home and commute, which probably describes more than 50% of Americans.

[kj]

The point really is that while we say “can’t be done” China is doing it. We’re so behind all we can do is make up sour grapes excuses. As a country, we’re afraid of anything different, in contrast to what we like to think about ourselves. The area we’re really missing out on is high-speed rail, and other mass transit. EVs are better, but not good enough. It’s never too late though.

[Carnos Jax]

^^^^this too

[ztirffritz]

Carnos Jax wrote:
^^^^this too

^^^^DITTO

Non EV-drivers think that all charging has to be L2 (240vAC) or higher. I've been driving a Model 3 30+ miles daily. I'm charging it from an plugged into the side of my house and at work, both using conventional 120v AC outlet. I can add about 15miles of range in 8 hours at 12A at work. I can add about 15 miles overnight at home at 8A in about 12-13 hours. Unless you're driving 40+ miles daily, you don't absolutely need to have L2 (240v AC) charging. Would it be faster on L2? Yes, absolutely, but I don't notice the difference if it finishes charging at 11PM or 4AM. Either way it's fully charged and ready to go by the next morning.

[kj]

ztirffritz wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
^^^^this too

^^^^DITTO

Non EV-drivers think that all charging has to be L2 (240vAC) or higher. I've been driving a Model 3 30+ miles daily. I'm charging it from a plugged into the side of my house and at work, both using conventional 120v AC outlet. I can add about 15miles of range in 8 hours at 12A at work. I can add about 15 miles overnight at home at 8A in about 12-13 hours. Unless you're driving 40+ miles daily, you don't absolutely need to have L2 (240v AC) charging. Would it be faster on L2? Yes, absolutely, but I don't notice the difference if it finishes charging at 11PM or 4AM. Either way it's fully charged and ready to go by the next morning.

I also could probably make it with Level 1. I had a level 2 installed due to safety concerns (the outlet plate turned brown, looked burned), but I could probably have put a better outlet in. And it’s nice since we have 2 EVs now. Honestly, even though most people know you can charge at home, they can’t understand that you’re not charging all the time out in “the wild”. I guess it must be hard to comprehend the whole deal without doing it.