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Verizon to produce iPhone killer?
#11
> Big picture, they are all roughly equal, and their
> inequalities vary depending on where you live. It's like saying Monopoly Player #1 rocks
> because he has a house on Vermont Ave, ignoring the fact that he's got NOTHING on St.
> James Place, where Monopoly Player #2 just happens to have a hotel. Puh-lease.

IF we limit the discussion to signal quality alone AND if everyone ignores the fact that many LARGE regions of this country have superior coverage by a single provider then you might be right. But you're wrong.

Examples: In Los Angeles, Verizon is sh!t. In DC, Verizon rulez. In NYC, Cingular gets the best coverage in the shadows of buildings. Driving up the East coast, Sprint has the overall best coverage. Nobody covers a big region just outside of Syracuse. T-Mobile has fantastic data speeds in a region of Michigan just outside of Ann Arbor. Sprint has the best data speeds in and around many major cities, but is slower than any other provider almost everywhere else. That's important stuff to know when shopping for a cell phone. If you seldom left DC and cared most about basic coverage, you'd probably want a Verizon phone.

Big picture: local coverage matters.

There are also other issues such as ordinary quality of service and support. And the quality of the hardware that each carrier offers.

In the case of Verizon, while their coverage may be excellent and their customer service nearly tolerable, the determining factor for me is that they disable most of the advanced features of their phones in order to coerce customers to purchase inferior services from them as replacements. Often, their patches are done so poorly that they inadvertently cripple features that they didn't mean to cripple. And then they don't fix what they've broken. IMHO, that makes the company sh!t throughout their nationwide coverage area. Why buy broken goods?

Meanwhile Cingular/AT&T is well known to make far fewer modifications and even to overlook quite a bit of phone-hacking. They are probably the best match for an Apple device that one could find in this country and as a result, a Cingular/AT&T-branded iPhone is much more likely to return some value for what they charge.

So stop yer bitching about people comparing one company to the next. There's a lot of differences and the comparisons can be valuable to phone-shoppers.
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#12
[quote chas_m]
4, People who believe that (Carrier A) sucks and (Carrier B ) is fabulous are completely full of crap. Each carrier has strengths where they've got the most permits/towers, and weaknesses where they don't. Big picture, they are all roughly equal, and their inequalities vary depending on where you live. It's like saying Monopoly Player #1 rocks because he has a house on Vermont Ave, ignoring the fact that he's got NOTHING on St. James Place, where Monopoly Player #2 just happens to have a hotel. Puh-lease.
There is a difference in phones and systems. I had a personal cingular phone and a work issued verizon phone. My own observation as I traveled in many cities indicates to me that Verizon is a better performer and has more locations and higher signal strength than my C/Att. My cities of use include SLC, Chicago, Boise, Flagstaff, LA, Las Vegas, Seattle, Spokane, St. Louis, Washington D.C., San Antonio, Albuquerque, San Diego, Houston, San Francisco, New Orleans, Sacramento, Denver, Reno, Phoenix, Tucson.

Consumer reports has a multi city quality of service report each year and Verizon is typically on the top and cingular/ATT is mid to bottom consistently. There is a difference.

Are there some areas where Cingular beats Verizon, probably but they are few and far between in my own experience.
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#13
[quote chas_m]
5. AT&T is not Cingular. The iPhone is not going to be a Cingular product, and isn't going to act like any previous experience you may have had with a Cingular product, good or bad. This is a new beast born of the ashes of Cingular on the back of SBC (who are currently calling themselves AT&T.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

I used to have AT&T Cellular service, then they re-branded as Cingular. Aside from some difficulty with online access while they were changing over their website, I experienced no difference between "AT&T" and "Cingular".
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#14
> I experienced no difference between "AT&T" and "Cingular".

I'll give Cingular this point: I had billing problems for two years with AT&T. They somehow had 2 account numbers for me and I ended up getting billed for a service that I wasn't using and sometimes getting bills for $0.00, followed by a bill for twice the normal amount on EACH account. I was calling every month to correct bills and to try to get them to cancel one of the accounts (each time, they assured me that the account was canceled).

Cingular resolved all of the issues with one phone call.

Since AT&T took over again, they've already f-ed up one of my payments (processed it as an electronic check and took out too much).

I'm pretty certain that things are going to decline rapidly with AT&T running the show again. They're not particularly competent. Having a monopoly doesn't provide much motivation to improve.

Luckily, T-Mobile shares most of the network and has most of the same phones.
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#15
Oh yea Verizon is great. NOT! I wasted an hour with them on the phone yesterday just to get a new phone activated.

Is there anyone there that can speak english, please?

What a bunch of misleading, convoluted, bull.... .
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#16
Were you not able to activate it on the Internet under your "My Account"? I've enabled/disabled many phones that way, for one reason or another.

While I think that Verizon's plans are slightly higer priced than competing providers, I have always had great experiences with them...great service...and yes, actually, great support - when needed. I have had Verizon for several years now...and others before them. Until something really becomes a dealbreaker, I will be staying with them.

My current LG-VX9900, that replaced my 9800, is the best phone that I've ever had. Emphasis on phone too. Yes, it has nice bells and whistles...but I opted for this phone over a SmartPhone, etc. because I wanted my phone to be more of a 'phone-phone' than anything. The video playback, MP3s, EVDO, etc. etc. is just icing. : )
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#17
Cing may have the current iPhone for 5 years, but if you think Jobs didn't leave Apple contract space for another device for use with another company once they see the light (which I think will happen with Vzw) , I'd bet on Jobs.
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#18
The story misses the boat.. as usual.

Cell phone companies do not build their own phones. They provide service. Apple will not provide the service, just the phone.

What's the problem lately is that cell phone companies have been writing software for phones that adds 'features' (read the phone company can charge you more money for this feature). These 'features' then break the delivered functionality that the phone manufacturer provides.
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#19
[quote Fritz]Cing may have the current iPhone for 5 years, but if you think Jobs didn't leave Apple contract space for another device for use with another company once they see the light (which I think will happen with Vzw) , I'd bet on Jobs.
If the claim by the Cing/ATT CEO was true then he did not see the iphone until the announcement day. I never imagined one company allowing Apple to do that let alone another one. Maybe that is why Verizon didn't want to cooperate.
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#20
If the claim by the Cing/ATT CEO was true then he did not see the iphone until the announcement day. I never imagined one company allowing Apple to do that let alone another one. Maybe that is why Verizon didn't want to cooperate.


I absolutely believe the CEO's claim is true, and you are absolutely right that VZW did not want to give that kind of co-operation. VWZ has said as much.

There's been much written about all the concessions ATT/CIngular made to jobs that are unheard of in the cellphone industry. And VWZ is a big enough dog that they don't feel they have to give an inch to ANYbody. VWZ makes cellphone manufacturers bend to their will, NOT the other way 'round.

Just recently, Stevie said ChiatDay will handle the advertising of the iPhone, and *not* ATT's company BBDO, which handled the ROCKR. You remember the ROKR campaign, yes?

Verizon may get a great phone from somebody, but it will then be a Verizon phone, and that doesn't bode well.

Still, competition is a good thing, especially if it's good competition.
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