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[kj]

Grace62 wrote:
Since he doesn't want any criminals deported, will we be sending them all to Idaho? Gov. Otter could have them shoot all the wolves for him. Two-fer!

You guys are so cute. Did you read rjmacs post where he said not all illegals serve their full terms before being deported? No, you don't read, you just tell people the right answers. Good lord you're full of yourself. Of course, we all know Black's the Queen. kj.

[Chakravartin]

kj wrote:
[quote=Grace62]
Since he doesn't want any criminals deported, will we be sending them all to Idaho? Gov. Otter could have them shoot all the wolves for him. Two-fer!

You guys are so cute. Did you read rjmacs post where he said not all illegals serve their full terms before being deported? No, you don't read, you just tell people the right answers. Good lord you're full of yourself. Of course, we all know Black's the Queen. kj.
Umm... kj... maybe you should clarify your earlier statement instead of jumping to the personal attacks.

What do you think is the appropriate thing for our justice system to do with illegal immigrants who are arrested under criminal laws in this country?

How do you think that your solution addresses the "revolving door" problem that you mentioned where criminals who are deported might return to this country?

...And I notice that you're focusing on immigrants who have committed criminal acts in this country over-and-above their mere presence here. What do you think should be done with people who are illegal immigrants trying to obtain citizenship; peaceful people who perform otherwise honest, productive labor and have families in this country, but who are rounded up in raids of businesses and under "suspicion" laws like those in Arizona?

[kj]

For you, sure.

I don't have any solutions, but wondered if new policy addressed the revolving door, as it actually sounds like it could make things worse. I've felt for a long time that illegal immigrants are vulnerable and often exploited, and that without a secure border nothing is going to improve the situation. I don't know if it's truly impossible, or whether the will is absent, but a secure border isn't going to happen. And on the other hand, I'd almost be in favor of a pie in the sky type "open the border" thing. "One world", and all that. Course that's not going to happen either. I do think that even the worst of us deserves a modicum of respect, so certainly those here basically out of necessity should be treated at least respectfully. Course, that's not likely either, so I guess I don't really have any new ideas. kj.

[Chakravartin]

Thanks, kj.

That's a good answer.

[Grace62]

kj wrote:

I'm sure it is a small percentage. I was just wondering whether that is necessarily a good thing that more of the convicted illegal immigrants are deported. That could mean more of them end up back on our streets. There's no doubt in my mind this kind of revolving door has had an impact on our community, which makes me suspect (although I don't know) it might elsewhere. kj.

You said that, not rjmacs. Regardless of how long a person serves, if they are not deported after serving the sentence, they will be back on the streets. Deportation makes them less likely to be back, though of course they might attempt to return. But for violent criminals, deportation is the prudent thing to do.
The majority of prosecuted, convicted, criminals do not return to the US illegally, according to the justice dept. Some do return and it's a serious thing that is being addressed more thoroughly now than in the past.
And I'm talking about violent crime, not the misdemeanor of being in the country without proper authorization.

All this aside, most violent crime is committed by good ole US citizens, so let's don't get too distracted and jingoistic about all this.

[Grace62]

kj wrote:
For you, sure.

I don't have any solutions, but wondered if new policy addressed the revolving door, as it actually sounds like it could make things worse. I've felt for a long time that illegal immigrants are vulnerable and often exploited, and that without a secure border nothing is going to improve the situation. I don't know if it's truly impossible, or whether the will is absent, but a secure border isn't going to happen. And on the other hand, I'd almost be in favor of a pie in the sky type "open the border" thing. "One world", and all that. Course that's not going to happen either. I do think that even the worst of us deserves a modicum of respect, so certainly those here basically out of necessity should be treated at least respectfully. Course, that's not likely either, so I guess I don't really have any new ideas. kj.

Just a friendly suggestion, but try paying attention to the what the Obama administration is actually doing, and the many ways that it is a departure from what was done during the Bush years. You'll learn something, instead of speculating about what somebody else might do and saying you have no ideas.

[Spock]

kj wrote:
For you, sure.

I don't have any solutions, but wondered if new policy addressed the revolving door, as it actually sounds like it could make things worse. I've felt for a long time that illegal immigrants are vulnerable and often exploited, and that without a secure border nothing is going to improve the situation. I don't know if it's truly impossible, or whether the will is absent, but a secure border isn't going to happen. And on the other hand, I'd almost be in favor of a pie in the sky type "open the border" thing. "One world", and all that. Course that's not going to happen either. I do think that even the worst of us deserves a modicum of respect, so certainly those here basically out of necessity should be treated at least respectfully. Course, that's not likely either, so I guess I don't really have any new ideas. kj.

Very insightful and I share your obvious despair. Just acknowledging that there is no easy jingoistic solution is a start. How we achieve a just and humanitarian solution will not be easy but I want to believe it is possible with a modicum of good will by all concerned. Like you, I don't really have any new ideas either.

[Grace62]

kj wrote:
[quote=Grace62]
Since he doesn't want any criminals deported, will we be sending them all to Idaho? Gov. Otter could have them shoot all the wolves for him. Two-fer!

You guys are so cute. Did you read rjmacs post where he said not all illegals serve their full terms before being deported? No, you don't read, you just tell people the right answers. Good lord you're full of yourself. Of course, we all know Black's the Queen. kj.
Your brilliant insight seconded only by your maturity.

[rjmacs]

Chakravartin wrote:
...And I notice that you're focusing on immigrants who have committed criminal acts in this country over-and-above their mere presence here.

Grace62 wrote:
And I'm talking about violent crime, not the misdemeanor of being in the country without proper authorization.

Merely being in the United States without proper documentation is not a crime. It is a violation of civil law, not criminal law. This is a very common misunderstanding about immigration law, but it's important. Just being undocumented does not make you a criminal; there are no prison terms assessed against people for not having valid visas. You can be assessed a fine and ordered to leave the country, but it is a civil offense.

[Grace62]

"... The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers."

That's from wikipedia...is that incorrect?